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Repair or trade?

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Jim Meade

08-27-2006 18:51:49




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The 1855 block is bad and probably not repairable. I'm in the initial stages of trying to figure out what to do. I could find and install a 310 diesel. Could repower with a Cummins or Perkins. Could forget it and get something else.
I figure the repair/repower will run from $10,000 to $13,000. Tractor has 2900 hours and if I do repair it, I have some hydraulic issues, will take the radiator in for testing, the over/under needs rebuilt, would install a new clutch, would do some painting and would redo cab.
If I spent $13,000, that would be about twice what the tractor is worth. But, it would be ready to run for the rest of my farming years. I have a good White 1710 loader that fits on it.
Spending $13,000 on a different tractor - does it get me any assurance of one that won't need repairs soon?
The 1855 does about what I need, but given my druthers I'd like a quieter cab, AC that works and about 25-30 more horsepower.
Comments for or against any of the above? I have kids in college so the money is an issue, to my chagrin.

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newter haven

08-31-2006 20:25:53




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 Re: Repair or trade? in reply to Jim Meade, 08-27-2006 18:51:49  
Take your lumps and move on. You'll have 5000 easy in the motor alone by the time you're done, not counting what else you'll have to fix. Trust me, I spent about what you're willing to spend on a repower on a 1955 with the same problems only to trade it a year later. Loved that machine with a passion but all the problems just got to be overwhelming, you know? I traded it for a 110 which we have had now for three seasons just love this thing to death. Also retired the 1850 because of low oil pressure bought a '75 105 without cab for a loader tractor is working out really well, actually better than I thought. Change is good. I don't want you to give up on your tractor but you have to know what you want and what you expect from it. After spending probably 12-13000 on the 1955 to restore it more or less I miss knowing I did it to keep one more alive, actually, I know where it's at, it's still alive, at some point reality sets in, and you have to make a decision as I did, the cab on the 110 is really nice with the side shift making my day so much easier. If it was working for you before and you're happy with that, rebuild that critter and you'll be happy with it!

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davpal

08-29-2006 21:31:05




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 Re: Repair or trade? in reply to Jim Meade, 08-27-2006 18:51:49  
Jim, I would seriously consider letting the tractor go to the tractor salvage and looking at a white 2-105 to replace it. I know everybody will give me flack for saying that but if you think about the costs alone and not being sentimental at all on the deal because you have had the oliver for a while. Remember it is just a machine and they do wear out. I think Worthingtons would probably give you about $1500 bucks for it as a parts machine. I have seen plenty of white 2-105's for sale in good running condition for $6000 to $9000 dollars. They have a great engine, cabs are good and cab kits are easy to put it, may fit your loader(not sure), and if you find one the t/a is working in that will save you all the work on that. There are a lot of them out there too and you can shop around and be picky. Basically if you can pocket $1500 for the oliver and pick up a functional 2-105 for $7000 dollars you only have $5500 in a trade and you wont have to do all that long tedious dangerous work on the old one. I think peoples time is worth a fortune and I have been caught up in the old fix this up deals and it never pays for all the time I put into a project that should have been put to the junkyard. Good luck with whatever you end up doing.

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WFE 2

08-28-2006 20:07:58




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 Re: Repair or trade? in reply to Jim Meade, 08-27-2006 18:51:49  
Repair. There are plenty of useable 310s in yards, and if you are willing to go through it to know what you've got at the end, it will be a solid powerplant. Without getting into the 310 Oliver vs 5.9 Cummins debate, from a purely economic standpoint, you will have less invested in a good 310, and have a better chance of coming out ahead on it should you wish to sell it someday. There are getting to be a fair number of the Cummins conversions out there, but I've yet to see many of them fetch the premium needed to justify one laying out that kind of cash for the Cummins. It seems like you have to be pretty committed to getting your use out of the Cummins in the tractor. If the Cummins is your preference, great. But for the sake of one's pocketbook, the 310 becomes pretty appealing.

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Beck

08-28-2006 12:43:00




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 Re: Repair or trade? in reply to Jim Meade, 08-27-2006 18:51:49  
I'd have to go with nickg on this one. I would try to fix it. Whats wrong with the block that it can't be fixed? Is it cracked? Deck surface warped? Needs to be line bored?
Most of the time your better off fixing what you already own. Overhaul kits from after market sources aren't that expensive for the 310 Waukesha.



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thhill

08-27-2006 20:02:36




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 Re: Repair or trade? in reply to Jim Meade, 08-27-2006 18:51:49  
Hay Don saw ya hada silage bagger on your oliver
I'm from kansas and run a 1850 on ours. I'm looking for a truck dump bagger are there any used ones up there for sale Thanks



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Don-Wi

08-27-2006 21:28:13




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 Re: Repair or trade? in reply to thhill, 08-27-2006 20:02:36  
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We rented that 10' one last year because we had too much corn to go in the silo (I know, it's such a bad thing aint it??) so I can't really say much about baggers. We originally rented a 986 IH from a neighboring company to run the bagger, but the clutch went out and we swapped tractors so we could keep going.

A guy I talk to at the bone yard says he got a used 8' bagger for about $2,500 which is a pretty good price. I have seen some for dump wagons and such but I've never paid any attention to them.

We might be loking at finding an 8' one ourselves pretty soon, because it ran almost $1000 last year just for one bag. That's pretty cheap in this area, and it's definately cheaper than building a $20,000 silo that will only be in use for another 10 years or so.

First we gotta get some other things taken care of though, like a new machine shed...

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Mark N.

08-27-2006 19:52:01




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 Re: Repair or trade? in reply to Jim Meade, 08-27-2006 18:51:49  
What on the market do you get for $13,000. The reality is not much for anything in the 100 to 110 horse range. If you do the cummins conversion and take a look over the rest and replace whats needed you will have a very strong tractor. My cousin and uncle just did a cummins conversion 2 years ago. They took the cab off of theirs and prefer it that way as they have newer whites for the jobs that cabs are better for such as early spring plowing and chopping silage and such. By far that 1855 of theirs is my uncles favorite and has not had a single issue so far. They use it alot and it runs superstrong. The Dyno at the dealer who did the conversion put it at 120 horse. The auctions I've seen have JD 4440s and 4430s that are worn out bringing 13,000. The good low hour ones bring more obviously but what you put into the 1855 will be well worth it and last as long as you need it. It's a no brainer if you will have to spend the cash either way.

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MikeOwi

08-27-2006 19:50:01




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 Re: Repair or trade? in reply to Jim Meade, 08-27-2006 18:51:49  
I agree with Don. We purchased 3 1855's over 5 years. One was real pretty with cab, recent overhaul, new tires etc for about 7K. Another was basic, no cab, worn tires, recent overhaul for about 3,500. The last was a cummins repower, nice engine but beat up tractor for about 9K. Guess which one failed first. Yup, the pretty one. It now has a Perkins in it and about 8K of additional costs. You don't always know what you are getting.

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Don-Wi

08-27-2006 19:19:58




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 Re: Repair or trade? in reply to Jim Meade, 08-27-2006 18:51:49  
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If you keep a look out, you can get a good deal on a used but still good Cummins, and then all you'd have to do is open it up and inspect a few things, maybe install some new bearings and such. Along with the engine work, it's not hard to get them up to 135 HP. Any higher and you will probably run into problems with the chain coupler.


From what I hear a new cab insulation kit should make it quite a bit quieter, although it won't be as quite as a new tractor's cab. MOst cab's that I know of had AC available, so if you don't have the parts you might be able to locate new or used parts to install it.

I am always leary about buying a different tractor because it's about a 50/50 shot it'll have problems or be ok. Our 1855 did have a few issues after we got it, but most weren't too big. Last year the clutch went out while I was chopping corn, but we were able to move it to the bagger and keep on going. This summer I had to replace the steering hoses behind the fuel tank after one blew and I was already in there, it's easier than doing the same job 4 times for 4 hoses....

You may spend $5,000, you could spend as much as $13+. I am kinda in the same boat because we've got a 1755 with a bad engine, but we just put a new 1855 clutch in it less than 100 hours ago, it broke a gear and it got an 1855 rear end, and we've already got a ton of money stuck into it. Now if I can get a 1850 parts tractor (may have a line on one...) I may be able to do the whole switch for a minimal extra expense. Of course I'd have to paint it, and I'd like to find some fuel tank fenders and a rops/canopy to keep me in the shade.

All told expenses since we've got it- way too much.

If I can re-power it, it'll be cheaper than buying a new tractor at this point.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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MikeOwi

08-27-2006 19:52:44




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 Re: Repair or trade? in reply to Don-Wi, 08-27-2006 19:19:58  
Hey Don, nice looking tractor you got there. Gotta love the weights :)

Did you get a chance to look at the 1850 with the logging gear on that you mentioned earlier in the year. I may be interest, simply to get another 4 wd in the fold



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Don-Wi

08-27-2006 21:18:46




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 Re: Repair or trade? in reply to MikeOwi, 08-27-2006 19:52:44  
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I actually got too busy and forgot about it-(go figure) until this post. My mom said they may have sold one of them, but wasn't sure which. I had her send an email to her friend tonight to find out which one it was.

If I could get the 1850, I'm not sure which one I'd want to put a cummins in- the 1755 which I know has a good (1855)rear end, or the 1850 which has a MFWD but from what I hear from the dealer who has done work on it, was quite beat 15-20 years ago and the engine is probably in need of major work. Hmmm....

I guess the first problem is I need to get some money...

Donovan from Wisconsin

Those weights must look different to you now that they're all painted up, don't they? It's even got your tire on the front after I found 1/2 a missing rake tooth while plowing...

I guess I should mention this was also right before I got that PTO hub from you while it was getting a new clutch- It ran the bagger and chopper better than the 986 IH we rented, but the 986 could atleast stop when I pushed in the clutch...

Such fun aint it??

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nickg

08-27-2006 19:13:54




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 Re: Repair or trade? in reply to Jim Meade, 08-27-2006 18:51:49  
i personally would fix it. I'm working on a 1855 right now. Just got the block & head back. all new bearings/ sleeves rings. remand injectors plus plenty other misc things and I have less than $3000 in it. My buddy is making my oil pan deeper for more oil. BTW I have the updated block, I think it is the 1955 motor. I would spend money on what I know I have, instead of buying someone eles junk. my 2 cents

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