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Matt Kane

07-23-2006 17:23:24




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I need some help here. I spun a bearing on my Super 55 and busted the cap. So I went to the tractor dealer bought a used motor for it. It had blow-by so I had the engine rebuilt with the parts I had, so they rebuilt it. I got it back and noticed a hairline crack behind the injection pump so they took it back and said they would take 2 days to repair it. Well almost 2 months later I call them and they tried to repair the crack by welding, but its still leaking. They want me to see it and figure out what to do. I still owe them money and from the looks of things they dont want to repair it properly. Do I try to repair it and get some of my money back, or let them continue to mess with it. Im pretty pissed at this point and I don't know what to do. I feel like I've been shafted.

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Matt Kane

07-25-2006 18:56:32




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 Re: Bad Deal in reply to Matt Kane, 07-23-2006 17:23:24  
Well I just wanted to say that I thought I replied with an apology, because I did type one up, but either it didnt get posted or in the wrong post. I took it the wrong way and thought you were being smart. So after I went into the post I took it the way it was supposed to be taken. So im sorry, I know I typed one up, but where it is who knows.



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george md

07-25-2006 21:56:47




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 Re: Bad Deal in reply to Matt Kane, 07-25-2006 18:56:32  
Matt,

Apology accepted , I try not to upset anyone on the boards even if they jump on me, I usually ignore them . But since I have been doing cast iron repair and cast iron welding for
most of 25 years ,I thought you might benefit some from it . Right now I'm working on a manifold
for a tractor that is in Italy ,it's an R case
dual fuel and I have to make the heat valve and
much repair to one end cap .Also the heater box
is very thin( rusted away ), so I have to build
it thicker with cast iron . Abit of a challange.

If I can help send mean email .

george

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Matt Kane

07-25-2006 11:17:10




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 Re: Bad Deal in reply to Matt Kane, 07-23-2006 17:23:24  
Sure John told me not to weld it, But guess what????? ? The dealership that rebuilt it did, not me. They were supposed to repair the crack not me so good move to you too. Things dont always go as planned, and as for the dealer, I got my money back for the block, and things were settled. Either I try to repair the crack, its not a pinhole like they thought, or I get a new block. Either way the tractor will need more work.
But things were settled, and we both are happy now. I do believe an experienced welder can fix a crack, it has been done only if they know how to do it right.

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george md

07-25-2006 17:50:39




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 Re: Bad Deal in reply to Matt Kane, 07-25-2006 11:17:10  
Matt,

Sure am sorry about your attitude , but I didn't create it . I was trying to describe your
options and tell you the what if about some of them , but I guess you would rather smart mouth me instead of trying to learn something. There are 2 and possibly 3 shops in this country
that have the ovens and are qualified to repair that block , but rest assured, you won't like the price .

george

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davpal

07-24-2006 22:23:43




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 Re: Bad Deal in reply to Matt Kane, 07-23-2006 17:23:24  
Can you drill a hole in the spot where the crack is and thread it for a pipe plug? Kind of like a freeze plug on the side of a nascar racing engine block. Most of the welch plugs in racing blocks are about 1 1/2 inch in diameter and use a half inch socket extension to turn them in. You can get any size plug. Not sure if it is accessable for such a procedure though. Might have to tight of quarters to pull it off. Good luck.

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cmccoy

07-24-2006 13:39:59




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 Re: Bad Deal in reply to Matt Kane, 07-23-2006 17:23:24  
Matt, in my opinion they are not doing as they should. The have had your tractor for 2 months and have put very little effort or time into it. That is easily concluded by the fact that they still have it after all this time and it is no where near being fixed! This dealer has done you wrong and wasted your time and money. I would speak with the owner or manager and let him know how you feel, pay them what you feel you owe them for any legitimate work they might have performed successfully and take your tractor elsewhere. Chris

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Matt Kane

07-23-2006 17:33:28




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 Re: Bad Deal in reply to Matt Kane, 07-23-2006 17:23:24  
I just wanted to add, I'm an Honest Man, and I want to do whats right for both of us. Im not out to take him, I just want my tractor repaired, and I want it back. I do understand they didnt know about the crack, but neither did I.



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george md

07-24-2006 23:30:52




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 Re: Bad Deal in reply to Matt Kane, 07-23-2006 17:33:28  
Matt, Below John told you to toss out all the welding
ideas , good move . Welding is the worst thing you can do to a block , the flat area when welded has nowhere to move when the weld cools . And
there is no such thing as cold welding it , any
arc is molten metal and when it cools it has to
contract and there in lies the problem. Lacing
plugs either from lock n stitch or the other
style from iron tite would be a much better idea.
One problem with that idea now , when it is arc
welded , there is an extremely hard area along
side the weld called the fusion zone . It is doubtful that you can now drill and tap that area. You can butter it with one of the 2 part epoxy
products , but long term success is some what
doubtful due to the heat and vibration . I think looking for another block is in order. I have an engine shop and about half of work is cast iron repair .Much of it is manifold repair ( trying to build manifolds out of rust.

george

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Matt Kane

07-23-2006 18:43:03




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 Re: Bad Deal in reply to Matt Kane, 07-23-2006 17:33:28  
It's getting hard to deal with. I'm trying to figure out the best option, and my wife is on me about this. I hate being put in these types of situations.



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Wade BH

07-23-2006 19:50:47




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 Re: Bad Deal in reply to Matt Kane, 07-23-2006 18:43:03  
Matt,
The most important thing you need to do is to stay calm and be professional. Talk with the dealer and prove to him that you have the ability to pay for the repair as long as it is done properly. Unfortunate circumstances come along from time to time when working with old equipment and it's best to address the issues with the dealer. Good luck to you.



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Jim Oliver

07-23-2006 18:32:07




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 Re: Bad Deal in reply to Matt Kane, 07-23-2006 17:33:28  
That's a rock and a hard spot your in there. I would say they don't have a experienced mechanic and you might ask them this, how can I pay for something that ain't fixed? Keep your cool with them all the time. Why they didn't use brass rods and braze that thing up; I don't know. Brass brazing rods work better than trying to weld it.



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