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Super 55 Hydraulics question

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Anonym

07-20-2006 11:50:31




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Hello everyone! I'm working on purchasing a 1955 Oliver S55 tractor with a loader for work on my property. The loader operates from a front-mounted (crankshaft) pump and the tractor is equipped with power steering as well as auxilliary hydraulic hook-ups. Currently, everything on the tractor works great with the exception of the rear hydraulic (3-pt) lift.

The lift will occassionally raise and lower if you "fiddle with the controls and find the sweet spot" according to the previous owner. My question is this: since the other hydraulic components do work correctly, could the problem be between the quadrant controls and the pump (linkage issue) or something as simple as cleaning the over-pressure valve or changing filters, or could it be something much more complicated and expensive?

I guess a good start on this question is to verify that Oliver tractors equipped with auxilliary hydraulics and power steering did NOT have a seperate hydraulic pump system for these components. Is this correct?

Thanks in advance.

Justin
in Indiana

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Anonym

07-21-2006 05:21:59




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 Re: Super 55 Hydraulics question in reply to Anonym, 07-20-2006 11:50:31  
Super 55,

No, it does not have the pipe extension. The cap screws directly onto the top cover of the hydraulics. The one I'm looking at differs from the pictures a bit. The filter cylinder comes out towards the front and the cap is more towards the front dash than the location shown. Is this an older model shown?

I believe the number on the plate was 25-0100 if that helps.

Justin
in Indiana

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Super 55

07-21-2006 13:08:21




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 Re: Super 55 Hydraulics question in reply to Anonym, 07-21-2006 05:21:59  
The "Hi Lo" dial is for flow control, 1 to 5 gallons per minute. The dial reads Lo, A, B, C, Hi. They did away with that later, although the castings all have the hi lo settings. Your serial number and top cover are probably original. The change over took place starting with serial number 23 131, according to the service manual.



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Anonym

07-21-2006 13:18:40




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 Re: Super 55 Hydraulics question in reply to Super 55, 07-21-2006 13:08:21  
Ok. Thanks! I was wondering what that was for! I called the dealer to see if they could measure the pressure on the aux. hydraulics. Guess it's time to wait and see what that comes out to be.

So, according to the symptoms and what's on the tractor, what do you think should be my course of action? They've reduced the price down to $3500 as is. Worth it? What am I looking at to fix the hydraulics? Over pressure valve cleaning/replacement, aux hyds valve cleaning, or a pump rebuild? As usual, I have to have my ducks in a row before going to the wife with what I want to do.

Thanks!
Justin

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Super 55

07-21-2006 14:36:26




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 Re: Super 55 Hydraulics question in reply to Anonym, 07-21-2006 13:18:40  
Well, if you take off the cover to rebuild the pump I would put a new o-ring and leather washer on the hydraulic cylinder. You can check it out on a press. there is a procedure for that in the manual. That could be your problem if you are getting good pressure out of the external hydraulics.

If you need to redo the pump I am guessing you are looking at about $300. Go ahead and get all the little orings for the internals too.

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J Schwiebert

07-21-2006 10:41:38




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 Re: Super 55 Hydraulics question in reply to Anonym, 07-21-2006 05:21:59  
Different ball game here. If your filter is in front by the dash so to speak and is cast iron and has a 1-11/16 hex to take the filter can off you have a replacement housing. Do check 2 things, the pressure at the remote and see if you have flow. If you have a leaking relief valve you will be short on both pressure and lift. Those housing were introduced in 1957. Somebody by chance didn't switch serial number tags, yea I know they also had a conversion housing for the hydraulics which is a plus if that is what you are looking at. Questions? J.

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Super 55

07-21-2006 13:06:38




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 Re: Super 55 Hydraulics question in reply to J Schwiebert, 07-21-2006 10:41:38  
The "Hi Lo" dial is for flow control, 1 to 5 gallons per minute. The dial reads Lo, A, B, C, Hi. They did away with that later, although the castings all have the hi lo settings. Your serial number and top cover are probably original. The change over took place starting with serial number 23 131, according to the service manual.



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J Schwiebert

07-21-2006 14:40:33




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 Re: Super 55 Hydraulics question in reply to Super 55, 07-21-2006 13:06:38  
If he has the filter in the front it is not original!



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Super 55

07-21-2006 21:45:33




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 Re: Super 55 Hydraulics question in reply to J Schwiebert, 07-21-2006 14:40:33  
You are correct... my mistake. The forward filter location started with serial number 46 001. I had to read half the manual to find it but I found it. So John if you see this posting I am a little confused. When they say in the manual that they increased the capacity starting with tractor 23 131, are there 3 different covers? The original, another with larger capacity than original but still with side location filter, and a third one with larger capacity and front mounted filter?

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J Schwiebert

07-22-2006 03:56:50




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 Re: Super 55 Hydraulics question in reply to Super 55, 07-21-2006 21:45:33  
The third one is the double feedback system which eliminated the draft and position control selector. It was introducted at the serial number you indicated which was for the 1957 model year. 1957 was a year of a lot of improvements for the Super series including the rowcrop models including 12 volt starting on the gas models. The hydraulic system on the 1957 and later tractors is 99% the same as on a 550. That housing was also available as a replacement for the earlier tractors. More questions? J.

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Anonym

07-22-2006 19:37:22




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 Re: Super 55 Hydraulics question in reply to J Schwiebert, 07-22-2006 03:56:50  
Ok. I took another look at the tractor today. It's not an "add-on" per se. It is a complete cover that has the filter can out the front and the aux control "box" on the right side of the cover. It does look as if it's separate though. I did not see the draft control lever at all. Could this be the upgrade cover you mentioned?

The dealership was closed, so I have yet to verify if there is good pressure out of the aux hydraulics. It looks as if it will be worth picking up and working on. I just need to get my 8N sold!

Justin

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J Schwiebert

07-22-2006 19:52:13




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 Re: Super 55 Hydraulics question in reply to Anonym, 07-22-2006 19:37:22  
If the filter is in the front you will not have that lever. The system you describe is a lot more trouble free. Look once too how long the PTO handle is or if it has a knob or a place for a knob on the end. I will not be answering this board after 7 in the morning untill Friday. J.



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Anonym

07-25-2006 07:53:51




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 Re: Super 55 Hydraulics question in reply to J Schwiebert, 07-22-2006 19:52:13  
PTO rod is long and just to the right of the seat. It has a spring-loaded knob that engages a rod/lever combo to "lock" out the clutch.

I finally got a pressure reading on the aux hydraulics today. 80PSI is all they came up with. I guess I could start with the pressure-relief valve and clean out the aux hydraulic controls and see if that helps. If not, looks like a pump rebuild is in my near future (so long as my tractor sells so I can get this!).

Justin

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Anonym

07-21-2006 10:55:50




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 Re: Super 55 Hydraulics question in reply to J Schwiebert, 07-21-2006 10:41:38  
The tractor is about an hour away, but yes, it sounds like what you are describing. The filter can protruded forward from under the seat and appeared to be cast iron with a hex head formed on the end for removal. The aux. hydraulics control was just to the right of that and was a little box (6"x8"?) that was mounted to the top of the tractor body with a lever at the side. The hydraulic lines were external and dropped back over the rear axle. On the top side of this box was a small dial that could be moved and had a range listed (if I remember correctly) from "lo" to "high" with number increments between (around 5 increments?).

The flow didn't look to be very substantial coming out of the aux. lines, but it looked as if there was a loose fitting or something because it did seem to run down the side of the tractor from under the seat when the lever was pushed. I will have to call and see if they will test the pressure at the aux lines.

I doubt they switched the SN tags, but who could tell at this point in time. Does this help explain it better?

Are you saying that it may be as simple as a leaking relieve valve? What other possibilities could there be, and what are some other things I can check while I'm getting a pressure reading?

Thanks again for the replies. Sure wish there was more information on these online!

Justin

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Super 55

07-21-2006 08:20:19




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 Re: Super 55 Hydraulics question in reply to Anonym, 07-21-2006 05:21:59  
Thanks for the serial number. Yours is old enough not to require the field conversion. Knowing that, I think you should check the pressure as John suggested and make sure the draft control is properly adjusted. If you do need a new pump you may be able to rebuild it. I have included a link to how to reuild.

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Anonym

07-21-2006 08:54:04




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 Re: Super 55 Hydraulics question in reply to Super 55, 07-21-2006 08:20:19  
Where is the draft control lever on this model? Also, I noticed a small dial on top of the aux. hydraulics that had several settings (lo,1,2,3,4,5,high or something similar). What is this dial for?

Thanks,
Justin



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J Schwiebert

07-20-2006 13:38:42




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 Re: Super 55 Hydraulics question in reply to Anonym, 07-20-2006 11:50:31  
Your power steering will have a seperate pump. Now on the auxilliary hydraulics. I take that you mean you have a valve to operate a remote cylinder? Yes or No? If yes get a 2000 PSI pressure gauge and see what kind of reading you get. 1955 is the first full year of production. It also has a lever to use for position or draft control of the 3 point hitch. They do need to be adjusted properly. A filter and oil change would also be a good P. M. thing to do. Questions?

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Anonym

07-20-2006 13:48:50




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 Re: Super 55 Hydraulics question in reply to J Schwiebert, 07-20-2006 13:38:42  
JS-
Yes, it has a valve just offset to the right under the seat to operate a remote cylinder. What sort of readings should I expect? The tractor is at a dealer, so I'll have to know what I'm looking for when I get there.

Can you also tell me where the draft control lever is? I'm assuming by your questioning that if there is adequate pressure on the aux. hydraulics, then the pump is good.

The dealer, not wanting to wrap up manhours and money into a tractor he can't recouperate it from, is going to sell it at a "discounted price" as is. I will be making the decision to purchase the tractor depending on what we conclude might be the problem (based on what I find on the tractor) and how much you think it may cost to repair.

Thanks,
Justin
in Indiana

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Super 55

07-20-2006 21:11:57




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 Re: Super 55 Hydraulics question in reply to Anonym, 07-20-2006 13:48:50  
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If you have a 1955 with the external hydraulic control on the right side under the seat, do you know if it has had the field conversion to raise the level of the fluid so that you do not get air foaming into your hydraulic oil. It is real easy to tell if you look at the dipstick on the cover. It will have a pipe extension to compensate for the raise level. Check the picture.

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Anonym

07-21-2006 06:19:55




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 Re: Super 55 Hydraulics question in reply to Super 55, 07-20-2006 21:11:57  
Ooops, didn't reply correctly. See my post in the original thread.

Thanks,
Justin



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