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Cletrac BGS-4 stuck in gear

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Nellie

11-06-1999 05:46:30




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I'm trying to buy this dozer(Cletrac BGS-4). It has been setting for 10 years. We have agreed on price but the man said I can not remove it until the tracks move freely. He does not want his 75 yrd long gravel driveway, on a hill side, disturbed. He bought the dozer with the land 10 yrs ago. He claims that he was told it should be an 'easy fix'. My question is, is there normally a easy fix to Cletrac's being stuck in gear? It is the owners belief that it is stuck in gear and not another problem. My plan was to bring an escavator up the driveway. Raise the dozer blade up and chain it up. Then use the escavator to bring the dozer down to a flatbed trailer. The owner feels his driveway is jepordy, the deal is stalled.

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Nellie

11-12-1999 03:12:31




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 Re: Cletrac BGS-4 stuck in gear in reply to Nellie, 11-06-1999 05:46:30  
Thanks to everybody on my Cletrac questions. My first time with you Oliver folks, your information was very helpful. We came to an agreement that late spring or summer would be the best time to move the BGS. I wanted it for a winter project (the Engine rebuild) but that is not possible. I'm pretty sure that I will buy it then. I doubt anything will come up by then. Thanks again. Nellie



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Albert Duroe

11-07-1999 17:50:27




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 Re: Cletrac BGS-4 stuck in gear in reply to Nellie, 11-06-1999 05:46:30  
I would presume that the clutch is stuck and also the motor. I have several B cletrac's to move it do the following\\ Remove the hood, remove the fuel tank, remove the fuel tank support. Remove the plate approx, 12in in size over the clutch, there is a rubber disc with two yokes(4 bolts) this should release the engine from the rear end so you can pull it around. it weights 8,500# Call me if you have any more questions 319 827 6140.

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Bob Knowlton

11-06-1999 19:17:32




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 Re: Cletrac BGS-4 stuck in gear in reply to Nellie, 11-06-1999 05:46:30  
The two levers ( commonly used as clutches on
International,Cat and the like) are BRAKES on a
Cletrac. Do NOT pull the levers unless you want to stop or turn. Cletracs use differential action
in their drives, and brakes are the means by which you steer. If you understand differentials, you know what I mean. The only clutch will be your foot clutch, and the disc is probably stuck to the flywheel. You will need to lift the blade at some point anyhow, so chain it up somehow. I presume this to be crank start. If the motor is well oiled and NOT stuck, you may actually be able to crank it in gear enough to relieve the
tention in the tranny, and get it to shift. Don't laugh...I've done it...Also, a BG is not incredibly heavy. You can jack up one side, and try to turn the tracks with a peavy or crow bar enuf to relieve tension. Unless this is accomplished with less than 4-8 hours effort, I suggest that you offer him $300. or so, because your in for some fun with that thing. Plus you could us a couple bucks to by that old duff some stone...good luck..BK

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ro

11-08-1999 05:05:26




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 Re: Re: Cletrac BGS-4 stuck in gear in reply to Bob Knowlton, 11-06-1999 19:17:32  
Thank you for clarifying the steering set up for the Cletrac's. Now that you've mentioned this, I think this was mentioned in a book I got about old crawlers. Is the Cletrac the only common crawler to have used this concept?
Thanks.
Rodger O.



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Bob K

11-08-1999 15:40:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Cletrac BGS-4 stuck in gear in reply to ro, 11-08-1999 05:05:26  
Yes, Cletrac was the only major manufacturer using
differential steering. Virtually all others used
steering clutches with brakes. The Cletrac steering is very smooth when things are right. When Oliver bought out Cletrac, they continued that system until the end. How's the gear shift battle going?? Post a message
when you get it to move.



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cs

11-15-1999 14:18:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Cletrac BGS-4 stuck in gear in reply to Bob K, 11-08-1999 15:40:17  
check out jd 420,mc, bo. all are brake steered



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ro

11-06-1999 06:28:49




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 Re: Cletrac BGS-4 stuck in gear in reply to Nellie, 11-06-1999 05:46:30  
Hello,
If it is just the transmission, then you should be able to release the steering clutches (or whatever Oliver uses--it seems to me I've heard they treated steering differently than other crawlers) and the tracks should be free. My real suggestion would be to hire a hauler with a winch and simply pull the unit onto his trailer. I expect you got a good buy on this, so hiring an experienced equipment hauler might be worth the money. Also, if you got a good buy on the crawler, you really don't want to jeopardize the sellers driveway. I'm assuming the crawler isn't running. Good luck.

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Buckmtn

11-13-1999 21:04:43




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 Re: Re: Cletrac BGS-4 stuck in gear in reply to ro, 11-06-1999 06:28:49  
Nellie beware! It is very important that before you buy this machine, you take the seat out and pull the cover over the rear end and make sure that the pinion shaft is not broken. This is the lowest shaft in the transmission. Luckily when this happened to me I had a parts machine. This is a major job to fix . You have to remove the clutch , transmission,and the rearend to replace the bottom shaft.

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Nellie

11-06-1999 09:26:53




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 Re: Re: Cletrac BGS-4 stuck in gear in reply to ro, 11-06-1999 06:28:49  
Are you talking about just moving the two hand steering levers back? I know zelch about dozers. I'm dealing with a millionair and he wants everything his own way. The dozer has not run in 10 yrs and still not running. I did plan on hiring a person who has construction equipment & moving experience. We did need to get the blade up first before any winching takes place. This place is an abandon hunting camp. My hauler didn't think he could get his flat bed up the drive. It is a loose stone drive, and steep. I'm also faced with bad weather coming on. The price was $1,000. About $200 to move it if we meet the owners requirements (Tracks must move). The owner did pull this BGS to its present parking position with his own dozer. He said his dozer worked hard to move it just a small amount. The engine was running good 10 years ago and fairly well protected from the elements since then.

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cs

11-15-1999 14:20:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Cletrac BGS-4 stuck in gear in reply to Nellie, 11-06-1999 09:26:53  

if free pull the plugs put some oil in the cylnders (leave the plugs out) and tow that sucker away.



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Brian

11-13-1999 15:04:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Cletrac BGS-4 stuck in gear in reply to Nellie, 11-06-1999 09:26:53  
You mentioned that it ran about ten years ago when the owner got it but he had to pull it to move it. If it was stuck in gear or the clutch plates were rusted to the pressure plate and was also stuck in gear, how did the engine run without it moving? Maybe it wasn't running then either. It's very possible that it is not stuck in gear nor the clutch stuck but that the tracks are rusted so much they won't turn. I bought a model 35 for parts a few years ago and the tracks wouldn't turn so we pulled it around with a large tractor until they broke free enough to load it onto a trailer. It still took the tractor pushing and the trailers' winch to get it on and a 4 wheel drive truck and a tractor to pull it off. I know it's not very uplifting news, but it could be why that machine won't move.
Brian

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ro

11-06-1999 15:03:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Cletrac BGS-4 stuck in gear in reply to Nellie, 11-06-1999 09:26:53  
Yes. The two levers should disengage the transmission drive from the track drive, thus enabling the tracks to rotate. I think you can use a good 'come-a-long' (you can rent these) to raise the blade and chain it as you suggest. If the road is as steep as you indicate, you will also want to be careful about the Cletrac not getting away from you as you come down the road---if it is towed, you will want to be able to brake it. It would sure be safer if it were loaded before coming down the hill. Just curious where you are located?

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