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Bad Oliver 1755 Injector - Pictures - Long

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03-25-2006 08:52:38




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So here is the story. About a year ago, I noticed the #1 injector on our 1755 was hissing (losing compression). While running, I could physically see the injector bouncing when the engine was idling. When I rebuilt the engine about 10 years ago, I noticed one of the injectors had a slightly different tip. The basic dimensions were the same so I decided to keep running it on the #1 cylinder.

I decided to replace the #1 injector last spring to see if that would solve the "bouncing injector problem. I replaced the whole set since they were still the originals. The carbon damn on #1 was completly gone. When I ran the micrometer over the OD, I couldn't see any dimensional difference over the other injectors so I assumed the bore was OK and that no major wear occured due to the bouncing. Before I installed the new set, I ran an appropriatly sized reamer through the bores to make sure the carbon was out.

The local diesel shop recommended I intall the injector lowering kit for better starting so I did. With the new set in, the engine ran great for about 1/2 hour. After that, the idle wasn't quite as smooth, but nothing really worth doing much about.

Over the summer (about 75 hrs. of running), I noticed some black seepage around the #1 exhaust port. Since I have been fixing little things on the tractor this spring, I decided to pull the injector to see if I could find a problem. When I went to pull the injector, it was stuck...and I mean stuck. I ended up wrecking my injector puller and final ended up welding an adapter onto the injector to pull it with my 5 lb slide hammer.

From what I can tell, the carbon dam eroded and carbon packed inbetween the injector and the bore. The other injectors are free & "normal", therefore I know something is up with #1.

Any thoughts? Does the injector bore need to be sleeved? Bad injector settings?

I appreciate your help.

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jdemaris

03-25-2006 10:41:15




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 Re: Bad Oliver 1755 Injector - Pictures - Long in reply to e, 03-25-2006 08:52:38  
That is a common problem with Roosamaster pencil injectors. You might want to check the surface of the bore where the seal rides once installed. If someone had put new seals on the injectors, it's easy to screw up. The hard teflon seal will stretch when it is installed, even if done with a proper thimble-type tool and pre-heated. Once the new seal is installed, a compressor should be put on it and let it sit overnight before installing it. That way, the teflon seal returns close to normal size. Otherwise, it often gets cut when pushed into the hole. I've done hundreds of them, and cut quite a few when doing on-site repairs in a hurry, often in the woods, middle of winter, zero-degrees out.
If an engine gets run too long with a blown seal on the injector, and it's not coated with Never-Seiz, it will sometimes get so stuck - you have to pull the head off and drive it out with a punch.

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03-26-2006 19:12:03




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 Re: Bad Oliver 1755 Injector - Pictures - Long in reply to jdemaris, 03-25-2006 10:41:15  
Thanks for the response. I pulled the head just to verify the condition of the bottom of the bore where the seal rides. I ran a nylon bristled brush with some solvent through the bore along with a .376 reamer to clean any burs. The bore looks smooth and consistantly finished all the way from the bottom to the top. The surface finish looks OK....like it was done with either a sharp drill bit or dull reamer. I measured the hole size and it is .383". Does this seem right? Thanks for your help!

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J,Schwiebert

03-25-2006 09:05:17




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 Re: Bad Oliver 1755 Injector - Pictures - Long in reply to e, 03-25-2006 08:52:38  
The injector you show is the later style injector at least compared to the first ones. One problem was some people did not change the teflon seal or they would cut them when installing them. There is also a bulletin out there on some of the the engines where you need to check the counterbore for the hold down screw. I had a couple of request for that last year. I also sleeved several for a dealer friend of mine when I worked in th machine shop. I used a valve guide for some engine to do that. I am out of town when I read this and will not have a chance to look at any notes on this topic untill maybe Wednesday. I also had one time the customer brough the head in because the injector broke when they tried to remove it because of lower seal failure. Do you use the little tool to put the seals on? Questions?

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03-25-2006 08:54:53




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 Re: Bad Oliver 1755 Injector - Pictures - Long in reply to e, 03-25-2006 08:52:38  
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03-25-2006 08:53:39




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 Re: Bad Oliver 1755 Injector - Pictures - Long in reply to e, 03-25-2006 08:52:38  
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Here's another pic:



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J.Schwiebert

03-25-2006 09:32:17




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 Re: Bad Oliver 1755 Injector - Pictures - Long in reply to e, 03-25-2006 08:53:39  
It looks to me like you are making hard work of this project on the disassembly of the engine. My 2 cents worth. J.



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03-26-2006 12:41:59




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 Re: Bad Oliver 1755 Injector - Pictures - Long in reply to J.Schwiebert, 03-25-2006 09:32:17  
2 cents is way overpriced for that statement!!



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03-25-2006 11:13:05




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 Re: Bad Oliver 1755 Injector - Pictures - Long in reply to J.Schwiebert, 03-25-2006 09:32:17  
J.- could you explain your statement? What am I doing wrong? The engine isn't even in the tractor currently as I am installing a new clutch, chain coupler & sprockets, front seal, timing cover gaskets, upgrading to 12 pt. rod bolts, etc, etc. There are a lot of parts not on the engine now because of other work that is going on.



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strongman

04-01-2006 16:40:56




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 Re: Bad Oliver 1755 Injector - Pictures - Long in reply to e, 03-25-2006 11:13:05  
Where did you buy your injectors and what did they run a piece? I have one that is plugged up solid (no spray). Thanks



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04-05-2006 20:39:12




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 Re: Bad Oliver 1755 Injector - Pictures - Long in reply to strongman, 04-01-2006 16:40:56  
I picked up a brand new one from diesel injection service here in Madison for ~$74. If you click on the link, this site has remans for $58.



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