Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Attention Forum Users: On the 28th of December 2023 at 9:00am Central Time, we will be taking the forums down for maintenance while we prepare the new forums for your use. Please click here for more information.

Discussion Forum
:

Green vs Green

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
Danny Yerks

10-19-1999 14:28:49




Report to Moderator

I�ve been researching antique tractors for over 6 months now. I�m looking for something small and lightweight with a wide front end, at least 25HP, a 3pt hitch, live PTO, and low gears. I need a tractor primarily for pulling a 6� finish mower and a 5� bush hog, but also plan to use it with a scraper blade and to plow a garden and other miscellaneous tasks. I�ve pretty much narrowed it down to either an Oliver Super 55/550 (mid to late 50�s or early 60�s), or a JD420/430 S/U/W. Both have similar features and either would do the job for me. There are trade-offs between the two that tend to equal out, for example the Oliver has more HP and a Hi-Lo range transmission while the JD is easier to get on and off and is probably easier to get parts for and will hold it�s value longer. Also, there are lot�s of books on JD that provide details about their tractors, but very few books on Olivers and none of them provide much detail. I�d like to hear from Oliver fans and anyone else that could come up with reasons I should buy an Oliver instead of an JD. I like the looks of both and I think it would be fun to restore either one. Thanks in advance for your input.

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Get an 8n

10-31-1999 09:15:52




Report to Moderator
 Re: Green vs Green in reply to Danny Yerks, 10-19-1999 14:28:49  
they have plenty of power for a 5 foot hog, parts are plentiful and cheap( I would suggest you check out the parts prices and availability of the 2 models your thinking of), their also easy to work on ..you can pick a nice one up for around 2500 bucks with a hi low sherman tranny, gives ya 12 speeds..check how close dealers are if you need parts in a hurry..if your looking to pull a 3 bottom plow or put a loader on than I would not recommend the N... I hope you have some mechanical ability because as the owner of any of these old machines your gonna need it..it will be quite expensive hauling these things to the shop when something goes wrong(and things will go wrong alot)..buy service manuals and learn..

dave

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Chip

10-22-1999 10:44:53




Report to Moderator
 Re: Green vs Green in reply to Danny Yerks, 10-19-1999 14:28:49  
Danny, I think you'll enjoy the Oliver more. AGCO is a conglomerate that owns Massey ferguson, White (Oliver), and at least 2 more that I can't remember.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Danny Yerks

10-22-1999 07:26:10




Report to Moderator
 Re: Green vs Green in reply to Danny Yerks, 10-19-1999 14:28:49  
Thanks everyone for your opinions and information. I hope this helped others as much as it did me!



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Bob Skurka

10-21-1999 14:10:52




Report to Moderator
 Re: Green vs Green in reply to Danny Yerks, 10-19-1999 14:28:49  
In many ways I am like you. I'll even bet you are a tractor novice as I was when I started my search a few years ago. I searched long and hard for the ideal tractor to take care of mowing and landscaping chores on a hilly rural plot we moved out to. My ideal soon became a $17,000 Kubota, my budget wouldn't allow for that. Eventually I started looking at Ford 2/8/9N. That lead to Ford Jubilee, 600 and 2000. All seemed to be trade offs. The 2 farmers down the road use lots of old equipment so I became comfortable with the idea and started digging some more. I eventually found Oliver. Buying an Oliver was a great choice! As far as you comment about a JD retaining value better than an Oliver, I think you may be wrong. Oliver is growing in collector popularity so selected models may grow in value faster than we might otherwise expect. As for parts, some have cost me a pretty penny, but most are built for serious use and probably will never break. After looking at Kubota, I believe they are built much more flimsily and will not hold up for the duration like an old Oliver. The Oliver collectors network is great, join the association and you'll have access to every bit of information and part you will ever need. You're right about there being fewer books on Oliver, but so what?

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Danny Yerks

10-22-1999 07:20:26




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Green vs Green in reply to Bob Skurka, 10-21-1999 14:10:52  
Thanks for the info. The reason I stated that it's a disadvantage to have fewer books on Olivers than John Deeres is because it makes it harder to learn about them, but this board has helped a lot. What is this Oliver association you're talking about? Who do I contact about joining if and when I do by an Oliver?



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Heyy Danny

10-22-1999 19:35:51




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Green vs Green in reply to Danny Yerks, 10-22-1999 07:20:26  
The oliver club is called Hart-parr/oliver collectors assn.Or hpoca.They have a unfinished web site where you can down load a mebership application.If you live in the states it will be the best twenty dollars you have everspent.Otherwise $24 for outside the U.S.You will get a book about every four months or so it is supposed to come every two months but quality takes time I guess.The book has diffeent pic and articles on oliver and companies that had something to do with oliver they get a little biased at times but overall not bad.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
larry h

10-20-1999 18:58:29




Report to Moderator
 Re: Green vs Green in reply to Danny Yerks, 10-19-1999 14:28:49  
it is quite simple once you hook the jd to a pto piece of equip you will see why 2 cylinders engines are and have always been out of date besides the deere will be priced for much more than it is worth the ones we see here are all losing big money



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Mark VS in austin

10-20-1999 16:18:17




Report to Moderator
 Re: Green vs Green in reply to Danny Yerks, 10-19-1999 14:28:49  
Danny-

I suggest you buy the JD.

I have been following your search for the "ideal tractor" and am convinced that whatever you buy, you will regret.

Ergo, it is better for us (Oliver lovers) to have you regret buying the JD and telling people what a mistake you made by not buying an Oliver than vice-versa.

Besides, I'll bet the JD has power steering.

If you have any other questions, please do not be afraid to ask.

Mark V.S. in Austin, TX

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Danny Yerks

10-21-1999 07:15:58




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Green vs Green in reply to Mark VS in austin, 10-20-1999 16:18:17  
That�s an interesting comment. What do you do for a living, are you a psychiatrist? It�s amazing how well you can divulge my personality from a few emails! I say that because you�re right, I probably won�t be totally happy with whatever I buy because I�m very hard to please. Unfortunately, the ideal tractor for me is probably a brand new Cub Cadet or Kubota with a 6� belly mower, bush hog, loader, etc. But, I can�t afford to spend $20,0000 so I have to figure out how to get the most for the $4000 or so that I can spend on a tractor and mower. And, since I live by Murphy�s Law (if anything can go wrong, it will), I have to be careful. If I get something that ends up needing parts that are hard to find and expensive, I�m going to be in trouble. For example, I thought about buying a Satoh 650G (30HP, Hi-Lo range, 3pt) until I found out that just a rebuilt water pump costs $500! Some people have better luck than I do and can rush into things with no regrets, but I don�t have that kind of luck. The first tractor I looked at over six months ago was a Farmall Super A in good shape with a new 6� Woods belly mower for $4500. At that time I didn�t really know what kind of features to look for and what kind of HP I need. I�m looking for something lightweight enough to do a good job of finish mowing yet powerful enough to run a 5� bush hog. Since then I�ve learned, and now I know Farmall Super A tractors don�t have a 3pt hitch, live PTO, or enough HP to run a 5� bush hog. So, I�m glad I didn�t buy it because I realize now that even though it would work great for mowing the yard, I wouldn�t be able to use it for bush hogging. Now I know I can get a Oliver S-55/550 or a JD420/430 that will do all the things I need it to, so patience and research has paid off. But, I�m still not ready to buy since I feel I still have a lot to learn and don�t really need anything until next spring anyway. My wife tells me I tend to make things harder than they need to be and she�s probably right, but I�d prefer to get the most for my money. I have no doubt that all old tractors were well build (over build actually), so the hard part is determining if a tractor was well cared for or abused. Don�t worry, if I do buy an Oliver and have trouble with it I won�t deface the Oliver name I�ll just kick myself for not doing a better job if evaluating its condition. By the way, power steering on the JD420/430 is about as rare as it is on the Oliver S-55/550.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Mark V.S. in Austin, TX

10-21-1999 16:20:49




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Green vs Green in reply to Danny Yerks, 10-21-1999 07:15:58  
Danny-

No, not a professional psychiatrist, but it would be accurate to say that my job is (partially) to understand people.

Anyway, I did some research on the JD 420/430 tractors, and I must say that your wife is right. you do make all this harder than you need to. I also must say that you must have a large cloud hanging over your head to seriously consider this model of tractor.

What is wrong with the JD 420/430? Well:
It is the last models of the 2-cylinder Deers.
It was only made a few years, they are rare.
There are few aftermarket parts for them!
They are VERY old technology.
And, they have less power (much) than Oliver.

Even the followup model from Deere (the 1010) was full of small problems. It took until the 1020 for JD to have a decent utility tractor.

All-in-all, the JD 420/430 has got to be one of the worse choices available!

If you want an alternative, look at Ford, except they made so many different models after they stopped the 8N that finding parts can be difficult and confusing.

Or MF. The Ferguson FE-35, TO-35 or MF-50 (all about the same tractor) are nice. Not as nice as the Oliver S55 or 550, but still nice. Parts are easily available, uses a very common engine (Continental) and parts are cheap. However, no active PTO, not as much power as the Oliver.

I believe I looked at all the tractors available from that era, that size, that power, that price. The Oliver S-55 and 550 are the best design overall. In was not an accident that this model was made (with the most minor of changes) from 1954 to 1975. It simply was well-engineered to start with and there wasn't a whole lot left to do.

Find one you like, rebuild it over the winter (Tisco kit, makes it run even better as a 166cid engine), clean it, paint it, enjoy it. It will be the best $3500-$5000 utility tractor you can own.

And, you will know what is inside the engine!

Mark V.S. in Austin

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Danny Yerks

10-22-1999 07:23:55




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: Green vs Green in reply to Mark V.S. in Austin, TX, 10-21-1999 16:20:49  
Thanks for your input. It certainly appears that I couldn't go wrong by buying an Oliver!



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
jeff rzepka

10-20-1999 10:00:28




Report to Moderator
 Re: Green vs Green in reply to Danny Yerks, 10-19-1999 14:28:49  
i don't know anything about the jd you mentioned.
i own a super 55 .
i use use it for all you mentioned plus some.
snow plowing, and snow blowing. manure spreading,
post hole digging ect.
i never found it inconvient to get on or off.
all the info you would ever want can be found
most any place.i've got at least 6 oliver books.
parts are still all avaible thru acgo.
pick what you like best but if you are right and the oliver has more horse-power someday you may
regret not having that horsepower.

good hunting jeff

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Bob

10-20-1999 18:32:31




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Green vs Green in reply to jeff rzepka, 10-20-1999 10:00:28  
In your reply to Green vs Green you mention parts are available thru acgo. I am not familiar with acgo,can you tell me more about them? thanx



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
farmer mike

10-21-1999 04:52:20




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Green vs Green in reply to Bob, 10-20-1999 18:32:31  
i think he meant agco.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Bob

10-21-1999 14:58:08




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: Green vs Green in reply to farmer mike, 10-21-1999 04:52:20  
He probably was,but at the risk of sounding stupid ,what is agco?



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Don Nelson

10-25-1999 10:35:13




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Green vs Green in reply to Bob , 10-21-1999 14:58:08  
AGCO is the company that was formed from Deutz-Allis and has since pruchased White (they had purchased Oliver), New Idea, Massy Ferguson, and several other companies. AGCO dealers have parts for Oliver tractors.

AGCO web site is: >Link

I>Link believe they have a dealer locator on the site. Anyway, you can go to the site and see the various brands that they sell.

Don

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Bob

10-26-1999 14:50:45




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Green vs Green in reply to Don Nelson, 10-25-1999 10:35:13  
Thanx Don.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
sammy the RED

10-21-1999 17:47:01




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Green vs Green in reply to Bob , 10-21-1999 14:58:08  
Allis-Gleaner Company



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
sammy the RED

10-19-1999 22:26:52




Report to Moderator
 Re: Green vs Green in reply to Danny Yerks, 10-19-1999 14:28:49  
Get the Ollie.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Highboyford

10-19-1999 17:09:43




Report to Moderator
 Re: Green vs Green in reply to Danny Yerks, 10-19-1999 14:28:49  
This is like a ford vs chevy debate.The JD you mentioned is one of the few JD I have not ran so I can not comment on it.As far as books go if you know where to look you can obtain about any oliver book you want,same goes for parts.I doubt that the 55/550 will ever lose value if anything they will go up but the same goes for the Jd.I suggest buying the one that you your self like the best,because all tractors will need work sometimes and it will help if you really like it when it comes to repairs.good luck

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy