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77 oliver engine

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ricedaddy

02-25-2006 16:37:54




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I have a neighbor that has a 77 oliver, he was told a chev-327 would bolt right in, are they full of bull? I haven't had a chance to look at it yet!
Thanks
Ron




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Carlton Grambo

02-28-2006 08:55:23




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to ricedaddy, 02-25-2006 16:37:54  
How did we get to a chevy history lesson? Sure is interesting that people that liked old muscle cars likes old tractors.



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Carlton Grambo

02-26-2006 18:56:31




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to ricedaddy, 02-25-2006 16:37:54  
It is true about the bellhousings. Old is wrong about the bell. It was around 63 when GM redesinged the engines. The old 235 and 261 were different. I had e-mail the gentleman about this earlier. Just because the bells are the same as we all know it will not be a drop in. I learn this with going from a small block to a big block 37 years ago in my Camaro. But it sure was fun.



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jeff from IA

02-25-2006 19:44:33




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to ricedaddy, 02-25-2006 16:37:54  
I'd be embarrassed to have a chevy engine in my Oliver!!



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old

02-25-2006 20:57:45




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to jeff from IA, 02-25-2006 19:44:33  
Then you better not have a number of them, becasue some of them had GM engines in them and GM is part of Chev. Also a chev enigne sure in the world is better then any Found On Tehe Road Dead engine by a long shoot



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A.P.

02-25-2006 23:45:30




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to old, 02-25-2006 20:57:45  
None of them had anything other than the Oliver engine when they left the factory. If we are talking after that point, then pretty much the sky has been the limit. There are quite a few wondering around with an 88 engine or even the 310 Oliver/Waukesha amongst others.



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Mike in MI

02-25-2006 17:40:40




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to ricedaddy, 02-25-2006 16:37:54  

I know the Chevy 292 Engine will bolt right up to the bell housing. My friends dad had one in his 77.
Mike



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ricedaddy

02-25-2006 17:50:16




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to Mike in MI , 02-25-2006 17:40:40  
thanks for the info guys, I guess I'll have to check it out, I have a good 292 chev if he wants to do that
thanks again
Ron



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old

02-25-2006 17:46:01




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to Mike in MI , 02-25-2006 17:40:40  
Then any of the 6 cylinder and small blocks will also, they all use the same bellhouseings



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Mike in MI

02-25-2006 17:51:33




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to old, 02-25-2006 17:46:01  
Old,
What HP did the Chevy 292 have back in the 70's?
Mike



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Keith-OR

02-26-2006 20:00:51




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to Mike in MI, 02-25-2006 17:51:33  
Mike, in my area I was reviered as one of the experts on small block chevie, used to know all the factory Hi Pro parts to make small block go fast. Still have a lot of the HiPro parts in one of my sheds for chev small blocks.

About 8 years ago I gave away 6' X 16' trailer full of NOS 55 thur 57 chev engine and body parts, quit building hotrods.

We are doing great on Shawn's tractor. redone the clutch system,put in new rear main seal and front crank seal. Rebuilt the carborator that Rusty Farmall sent Shawn. Got the engine running, sure run sweet. Run the tank, hood, seat w/spring, grill and battery box through my electrolysis tank. Now they are ready for primer.

Keith & Shawn

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Keith-OR

02-26-2006 17:59:06




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to Mike in MI, 02-25-2006 17:51:33  
Mike, I'm not sure on the HP of Chev 292, but the 250 produced 155hp @ 4200 RPM in 1970...HTH

Keith & Shawn



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Mike in MI

02-26-2006 18:22:18




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to Keith-OR, 02-26-2006 17:59:06  
Hi Keith & Old,
I'm not up on the GM products that much been a ford fan I guess most of my life. Would of at one time like to put a 292 in the super. Had a 410 Massey Combine had the chevy 292 in it. They were good running engines.
Mike
Keith how are you coming on your Super? Get her all figured out?
Mike



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old

02-25-2006 20:33:44




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to Mike in MI, 02-25-2006 17:51:33  
I'm not sure but I do know that from a stop they will out pull any of the V-8s. That is true of any of the stright 6 engines. This is just a guees but if I remember right a 250 would put out about 150 HP depending on how it was set up. Did you know that in drag races they made differant classes for the 6 and V-8s becuase the 6 cylinders would eat a V-8 alive in the 1/4 mile



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old

02-25-2006 17:02:39




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to ricedaddy, 02-25-2006 16:37:54  
That might be nice to know. If its true then a 235, 250,292,283,350 etc would also bolt right in since Chev uses the same bolt pattern for all of those engines/tranny mounts



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Keith-OR

02-26-2006 17:43:15




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to old, 02-25-2006 17:02:39  
Hey Rich, not the 235 ci, it was before they redesigned their bellhousing. They made the major change in 1963. You are probably thinking of 230 CI. Even included the big blocks 396, 400, 427, 454...

Keith & Shawn



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old

02-26-2006 18:09:49




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to Keith-OR, 02-26-2006 17:43:15  
Keith, have to disagree on that one. I have had 235s and 250s and both would/have bolted right up to the same bellhouseings



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Keith-OR

02-26-2006 18:58:20




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to old, 02-26-2006 18:09:49  
Rich, better check the interchange, 235, 216 and 262 used the same flywheel and bellhousing, 262 was the truck engine. I have a 1970 motors manuel does not even show 235 anymore cause 1963 they went to 230, 250,and 292 which is a truck engine. When I sold my wreacking yard sold all interchange manuels with it. I used to beable to tell you what would fit which vehicle without even looking in the interchange.

Keith

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old

02-26-2006 19:27:37




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to Keith-OR, 02-26-2006 18:58:20  
Keith, the stright 6s like the 235, 250 and the 292 used the same pars for the most part. Still have a 235, 250 and 292 in my shop and can bolt the same tranny to each one of them. Now the 230 307/309 6s where differant



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Keith-OR

02-26-2006 19:45:26




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to old, 02-26-2006 19:27:37  
Rich, it is not a 235 it is a 230. 230 and 250 look identically 292 looked almost the same except side valve cover is wider and motor mounts are in a different place than 230, 250 ci.
235 is the first motor chevie used that had pressurized oil system and insert bearing, instead of babbit bearings.If my memory serves e correctly 1953 was the first year of the 235 ci
1955 was the first year of the 265ci V8. First Corvette in 1953 was powered by 150 hp 235 ci , 3 side draft carbs.

Keith

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old

02-26-2006 22:09:37




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to Keith-OR, 02-26-2006 19:45:26  
Keith sorry to say the first cor vetes had a 250 inline 6 in them
I've been a Chev man all my life and have done a lot with them. Also your 180 out the 235 and the 250 are almost the same engine, other the the 250 is a bigger bore the the 235. The 230 is the one with the odd ball bell houseing not the 235



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old

02-26-2006 22:06:17




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to Keith-OR, 02-26-2006 19:45:26  
Keith sorry to say the first cor vetes had a 250 inline 6 in them
I've been a Chev man all my life and have done a lot with them. Also your 180 out the 235 and the 250 are almost the same engine, other the the 250 is a bigger bore the the 235. The 230 is the one with the odd ball bell houseing not the 235



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Keith-OR

02-26-2006 23:31:03




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 Here you go OLD!! in reply to old, 02-26-2006 22:06:17  
Corvette debuted in January of 1953 as a show car in the GM Motorama. It was a stylish two-seat convertible, designed to show the world that GM could create a sports car to compete with European nameplates like Jaguar and MG. All 1953 Corvettes were Polo White with red interiors.

The response to the Motorama show car was overwhelmingly positive, and production began that June in Flint, Michigan. It would change the landscape of the American road forever.

The 1953 Corvettes were built by hand and appeared nearly identical to the Motorama car. They were powered by the existing Chevrolet 235-cu.-in. 6-cylinder engine that was modified with a three-carburetor design and dual exhaust to give it more sports car-like performance. Named the Blue Flame Special, this engine generated 150 horsepower, and it was teamed with a 2-speed Powerglide automatic transmission. This powertrain, however, did not live up to the performance expectations of sports car buyers. Although sales climbed to 3640 units in 1954, they fell off dramatically to just 700 in 1955 setting off rumors that Corvette might be a short-lived automotive experiment. But Zora Arkus-Duntov had different ideas.

Keith

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Keith-OR

02-26-2006 22:37:46




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to old, 02-26-2006 22:06:17  
Rich, hate to tell you that you are wrong on Corvette, ah I have the book on there history sitting right here in front of me, copyright 1975. I keep up on Vettes as I have a 1958. Had it since 1970. Use to have a parts machine but sold it after I got all the parts off of it I needed for mine.

300 1953 corvettes built some had 235 ci 6 cyl with side draft carbs and some with down draft. they put the 6- 235 in them up to 1955 after then all were v8's 1955 265 was 195 hp, 56 was 210 and 225 HP.

If I had my scanner hooked up to this computer I would email you the General spec's. I'll hookup scanner tomorrow and scan in info for you...


Keith

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old

02-27-2006 08:54:31




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 Re: 77 oliver engine in reply to Keith-OR, 02-26-2006 22:37:46  
Well at least I knew it was a 6 cylinder but wasn't 100% sure on which one other then it was either the 250 or 235 so the 50/50 chance got me LOL



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