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Find find Oliver parts???

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scottf

01-18-2006 08:05:35




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I'm having a lot of trouble finding valves, guides and springs for the head of an old Oliver 99 with the 4 cylinder gas engine. If anybody has any suggestions where to find these parts I would appreciate it. The machinist says he might have better luck if he knew the Waukesha engine number. Thanks.




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RAB

01-18-2006 14:57:59




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 Re: Find find Oliver parts??? in reply to scottf, 01-18-2006 08:05:35  
I have a spare petrol head for the 443. Problem is I am wrong side of pond. I could mike up the valves to see how serviceable they are. Not very economic posting a head, the size they are.
Can give you the valve dimensions from the manual if required.
Regards, RAB



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RAB

01-21-2006 03:52:10




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 Re: Find find Oliver parts??? in reply to RAB, 01-18-2006 14:57:59  
Have measured valves. All well above service limits, inlets seem near new. I could knock out and send guides, if they will easily. You may need to knurl them before fitting (with loctite).
I think the inlets are too short to machine and use them in a KD, otherwise I would keep them.
This head was fitted in place of a KD head after a valve dropped in. Too high compression ratio for KD and I doubt if I ever machine out enough metal to reduce it enough to use!
Regards, RAB

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scottf

01-22-2006 10:36:48




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 Re: Find find Oliver parts??? in reply to RAB, 01-21-2006 03:52:10  
RAB, thanks for your extraordinary effort. The head I'm working on is a gas head so I know the valves are different than yours. After careful consideration this is what I've decided to do. Make new guide inserts out of oil impregnated bronze. Install slightly smaller valve seats so I can turn the valve head down about 30 thousands. The valve and port will be 30 thousands smaller but the valve will have adequate thickness and there will be no valve recession. I could have cut down some larger valves but it was a lot cheaper to do this way and I don't think 30 thousands on a 2" port will have a big impact. In fact since we will be seating the valve a bit farther into the head, raising the compression ratio, I expect it will be a wash as far as power is concerned. I had no idea this head would be so difficult or expensive. I have new level of appreciation for these older tractors and the guys that restore them.

So once again, I appreciate your offer to dismantle your head for me, it was more generous than either one of us probably realized considering how hard any of these parts are to get. It's guys like you that make this hobby so cool. You should probably hang onto that head.

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RAB

01-22-2006 11:55:19




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 Re: Find find Oliver parts??? in reply to scottf, 01-22-2006 10:36:48  
Scottf,
I think you misread my posts. No extraordinary effort at all.
The valves are sitting on my computer room floor.
I am replacing this GAS head with a KD head from my limited stock of parts. I am also replacing the crank and rods as they are unserviceable, but not beyond reconditioning.
The previous owner had a disaster with a dropped valve and replaced the original KD head with a 99 head (in Ca). I am simply fitting the correct head so I can run on Kero (gas is about $5.70 per gallon in US $ and US gallons in the UK!)
I daresay this head and valves will lay in my garage/workshop for many years to come and then get scrapped after I am gone!
I have also found, on this engine, that he didnt tighten ANY castellated nuts on ANY woodruff keyed shafts, so the timing has about 30-40 degrees backlash and the oil pump key was almost worn through - a huge amount of backlash but more importantly almost no drive! I will have to weld up keyways and re-machine, but might just replace oil pump drive shaft.
Check those governor bearings! Weights through the housing is a disaster (got one like that in my garage).
Oil impregnated bronze? do you mean sintered oilite bronze? They should be perfectly OK made with normal bronze bar. I replaced my fan shaft oilite bearings and there is lots of oil on the front of the engine. With eight valve guides leaking oil, your valve heads will probably soon get coked up and it might even be smoky at start up. I think the originals were brass, not bronze but would have to check that.
Bringing the valve faces further into the cylinder head will make very little difference to your compression ratio. Better to mill the head if you want more power, along with cleaning up the combustion chambers, balancing combustion volumes etc etc. Are you running cast iron pistons? They are big and HEAVY.
BTW if you are refacing your exhaust valves, I think you will find they are silchrome or stellite faced so they are very hard. You may be removing most of the hardness with machining and you will probably be fitting stellite valve inserts, if they are modern ones. I think the originals were not that hard and you could be running into metal compatibility problems, so a word with John Sweibert for advice may be appropriate, rather than risking a disaster like a broken valve (yes, my 90 dropped a valve, cracked the head, seized and was in parts when I finally gained possession of it!)
I have the workshop manual if you need any further info. E-mail is open. Post to me off board if you want and I will send my email addy

Regards, RAB

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J. Schwiebert

01-18-2006 08:33:18




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 Re: Find find Oliver parts??? in reply to scottf, 01-18-2006 08:05:35  
how creative is your machinest? The last one I did I reamed all the guides out to. 0.500 and used 2 cylinder John Deere Valves. That cured the worn guide problem and then I also had new valves. I found a Used John Deere A head and purchased the 8 keepers and retainers for $20.00. Righ now I don't know what I used for springs but the guy gave me a bare head because the previous owner kept all the stuff you are looking for too. You have a casting number and a valve length. Find me on HPOCA site and we can talk about it.

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scottf

01-18-2006 08:40:57




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 Re: Find find Oliver parts??? in reply to J. Schwiebert, 01-18-2006 08:33:18  
I've tried to find you on the HPOCA before. I couldn't do it. Seems like a run around. How does a guy find you on the HPOCA web site?



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J. Schwiebert

01-19-2006 03:11:28




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 Re: Find find Oliver parts??? in reply to scottf, 01-18-2006 08:40:57  
Go to the HPOCA web site, find something I replied to and send me a P. M. If a problem see if you can contact the web master.



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SJ

01-18-2006 08:12:12




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 Re: Find find Oliver parts??? in reply to scottf, 01-18-2006 08:05:35  
You can try Maibachs 1-800-808-9934
They usually have everything Ive needed.
Good Luck
Stan



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