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Pipe backbone plows

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belly acre

12-28-2005 17:30:18




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Back in the sixties we had a 4 bottom Oliver pull type plow with steerable front furrow wheel and pipe backbone. Also had a 5 bottom 3pt hitch with a pipe backbone. Just wondering what these were called, when they were made, and if there are any left out there.




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B A Star

12-29-2005 15:09:07




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 Re: Pipe backbone plows in reply to belly acre, 12-28-2005 17:30:18  
In the 60's Oliver built a pull type plow with the square backbone that was the model 450. As I recall they did not build it in three bottom. The smallest was a four bottom that was extendable.

An additional comment, on the plows that were built for MM, Case and Ford, the hitch was not the same. It extended further forward, thus the plow was some 18" further back from the tractor which made them pull harder.

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oliver fan

12-29-2005 09:43:18




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 Re: Pipe backbone plows in reply to belly acre, 12-28-2005 17:30:18  
In answer to your question about Oliver pipe plows, Oliver built two pull type and two semi mounted pipe plows.

In 1954 when Oliver announced the new super series of tractors they also started building a new line of plows.

One of the new plows was the 4440. It was adjustable to 14 or 16 inch bottoms, and 4-5 or 6 bottom sizes.

Next they replaced the 4440 with the 4441 in 1958. The 4441 had three small changes. The drawbar, the Hydralic raise/lower linkage, and the regular rear wheel or the new caster rear wheel. You have to look close to tell a 4440 from a 4441.

The first pipe semi mounted plow was the 5540. It was introduced at the same time as the 1800 and 1900 tractors. This plow could also be adjusted to cut 14 or 16 inches. It came in 4-5 or 6 bottoms.

Oliver soon found out that they need a bigger plow for the 1900 so they came out with the 5760 plow. This plow only came with 16 inch bottoms and came in 6-7 or 8 bottom sizes.

Two side notes:
When White bought Cockshutt in 1962 they sent the 4441, 5540, 5760 plows to Canada and they were painted green with the Cockshutt decals. They started painting the plows (and disks) red with the later models.
Also M Moline built pipe plows, but they were of thir own design, with no connection to Oliver. In 1963 when White bought MM they started to paint the new model Oliver plows red and sell them as MM's, but MM never sold Oliver pipe plows.

I hope this answers some of your questions.

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Carlton Grambo

12-29-2005 10:16:32




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 Re: Pipe backbone plows in reply to oliver fan, 12-29-2005 09:43:18  
This is to oliverfan. In the sixties we had a three bottom Oliver plow that coul be extended to five bottoms. It was trailer type and hydralic lift. For the the life of me and one brother we can not remember the model. Can you be of help? Every time someone asked a question about a plow, I would folloow the site. Thank you and happy new year.



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D13

12-31-2005 04:52:31




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 5 bottom trailer plow in reply to Carlton Grambo, 12-29-2005 10:16:32  
I grew up with 3 bottom trailer plows, a wheel lift converted to hydraulic (always broke the lift arm)and a late model hydraulic lift with the tail wheel the same size as the fronts. If you look at a 2 bottom trailer and then a 3, then a 4, you see you can add the extra bottom by putting on another frame loop. In fact, my current 2 bottom has enough axle spread to take 3-16's and our 3-16 (48") will easily take 3-18's (54") or 4-14's (56"). The ability to keep the tail wheel in furrow and get the frame loops between the main wheels (on the wheel pivot shaft)is the limit. Most of the plows used the same frame loops and used spacers to adjust to the bottom width, so so taking out all the spacers might let you do it. I'd have to have a factory 2-14 to measure and see if it would work without stretching the wheel shaft, but even that's not hard to do.

IF you ran 14's you might be able to get 5 frame loops between the wheels. 4x16=64" 5x14 = 70" 4x18=72" which would use less metal in frames, which is why the factory built them instead. So the way to build a 5-14 would be a bunch of 14's already available (like the 2 bottom and 3 bottom from a 70 and an 88). By time the power needed for that extra bottom became available the semi-mounts and pipe backbones were coming out.

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Carlton Grambo

01-02-2006 14:00:16




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 Re: 5 bottom trailer plow in reply to D13, 12-31-2005 04:52:31  
This is to D13. I know about the being able to convert plows but you have to be able to adjust the land wheel to be on the outside of the rear bottom or you have a very uneven plowed field. Dad was down today and we talked about that old plow. Plus a few other things from when we farmed. I found that this plow started as a four bottom. The dealer unbolted the rear bottom to sell Dad a three bottom. The part that is confusing to my brother and I is both of us remember a different backbone. I remember a retangle, he remembers a pipe. We both agree on it was great pulling plow. So I really like the help I have been getting trying to chase down any possible help. Again thank you and may your new year bring your wishes alive. Carlton

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oliver fan

12-29-2005 14:17:10




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 Re: Pipe backbone plows in reply to Carlton Grambo, 12-29-2005 10:16:32  
Carlton, I do not know of any Oliver plow like you describ.

In the late 50's and early 60's Oliver was still building the 4240 plow. This model was a 2 or 3 bottom with 12" 14" or 16' bottoms.

They were also building the 4340 and that plow was a 3 or 4 bottom with 12" 14" and 16" bottoms. They built this model well into the late 60's. This plow was not made to add a 5th bottom.

Both of the above plows were trailer plows.

I am not saying they did not build such a plow as you describ, but I certainly am not familiar with one.

Sorry I can't help.

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terry foss

12-28-2005 19:59:03




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 Re: Pipe backbone plows in reply to belly acre, 12-28-2005 17:30:18  
I HAVE 2 4440 TRAILER PLOWS . 1 IS 4-14 SLAT BOTTOMS. AND 1 IS 5-14 RAYDEX BOTTOMS. I USE THEM ONCE A YEAR AT A LOCAL PLOW FESTIVAL.I AM LOOKING FOR A 1 BOTTOM EXTENSION, AND A 2 BOTTOM EXTENSION. THEY ARE A EASY PULLING PLOW



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J. Schwiebert

12-28-2005 18:28:26




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 Re: Pipe backbone plows in reply to belly acre, 12-28-2005 17:30:18  
The four bottom pull type was most likely a 4440 unless you had one late in the 60's when it was replaced by the 4441. On the 5 bottom was it a semi or fully mounted. If it was a fully mounted I don't have a clue. If semimounted they were introduced with the 1800 tractors in the later summer of 1960 and were the 5540 if I remember correctly.



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