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Factory Standard Rim/Tire Sizes?

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ottoluck

12-21-2005 17:11:04




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Greetings, A friend of mine asked me if I could use my computor to find out the following information for him!. He has 3-1955 and older Cockshutt tractors and wants to know what size "factory" tires where originally available on the 30, 40 and 50 models, and what size rim were they "factory" mounted on?. He is also wondering why the old 10x38 is now a 11.2x38?. Is their any information available comparing new specs/classifications to old specs/classifications?. I Thank-You All For Your Help!!...

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ottoluck

12-24-2005 11:15:06




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 Re: Factory Standard Rim/Tire Sizes? in reply to ottoluck, 12-21-2005 17:11:04  
I Thank You, J. Schwiebert and oliver fan!. Even the extra information is usefull and appreciated!. I will be seeing my buddy tomorrow, Sunday, and will give him a print out of these postings. IF ANY MORE INFORMATION CAN BE ADDED BY YOU "TRACTOR GUYS", -PLEASE DO!. I will be hoping to tap as many "brains" as possible. My buddy is a newbie, and he is hungry to get as much knowledge as possible. He has done a few pulls and is now becoming "SERIOUS" about his toys!. Thanks All!, HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!...

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J. Schwiebert

12-24-2005 04:16:12




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 Re: Factory Standard Rim/Tire Sizes? in reply to ottoluck, 12-21-2005 17:11:04  
You are pretty close. I would also need to do some looking. I do remember that early 15.5 tires which were the number one size around here the 15.5 designation was followed by the words on a 14 inch rim. 14.9 were on a 13 inch rim. I would maybe back up the date that this changed to 1957 or maybe late 56. I know the Oliver Super 77 & 88 with power shift wheels were availabe in 1957. One is still around and the neighbors had a late 20 series Deere and it had the wide based tires. I thought they got it in the fall of 56. But you forget in time. Merry Christmas J.

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ottoluck

12-23-2005 05:44:57




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 Re: Factory Standard Rim/Tire Sizes? in reply to ottoluck, 12-21-2005 17:11:04  
I did find out the difference between a 10x38 and the 11.2x38. Apparently it is just a difference in the height of the sidewall!. PLEASE, if someone could provide the answers or leads to assist me to find out the rest of the information on stock tire/rim sizes, I would be very Thankfull!!...I DO BELIEVE that the OLIVER"S and CO-OP"S are so similar that the tire information from either would be perfect!. Thanks Again!!...

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oliver fan

12-23-2005 19:34:58




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 Re: Factory Standard Rim/Tire Sizes? in reply to ottoluck, 12-23-2005 05:44:57  
ottoluck,
I was hoping someone that knows Cockshutt's better than I do would answer your question, but I guess not. So I will try.

First, in the late 50's the tire companys put new tire markings on their tires. there was nothing changed between the old tires and the new tires.

I will give you six examples:
New number 11.2x38 is exactly the same as the old 10x38.
New number 12.4x38 is exactly the same as the old 11x38.
New number 13.6x38 is exactly the same as the old 12x38.
New number 14.9x38 is exactly the same as the old 13x38. New number 16.9x34 is exactly the same as the old 14x34.
New number 18.4x34 is exactly the same as the old 15x34.

I have several old advertising brochures, and I will list the standard size as well as the optional size for the 30-40-& 50 tractors. I will also use the old numbering system.

The 30 (E3) tractors had 11x38 as standard and 12x38's as an option. One early brochure states 10x38 as standard and 11x38 as an option.
The 40 (E4) tractors had 12x38 as standard and 13x38's as an option.
The 50 (E5) tractors had 14x34 as standard and 15x34's as an option.

As to what rim width was used on the three tractors, I will make a guess.
The 30 most likely had 11 inch rims.
The 40 most likely had 12 inch rims.
The 50 most likely had 13 or 14 inch rims.

NOW REMEMBER THIS IS ONLY A GUESS ON MY PART.

The tractor companys did not start using wider rims until about 1958 or 1959.

Maybe someone will correct the above information if I am wrong.

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J. Schwiebert

12-24-2005 04:59:18




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 Re: Factory Standard Rim/Tire Sizes? in reply to oliver fan, 12-23-2005 19:34:58  
I received an e-mail since I answered the post a little bit ago. It made me think of this and I got a good laugh out of it. I am sure good Cockshutt dealers worked this the way we did. If the man wanted a new tractor with tires and wheels other than what was listed you ordered a tractor in that had that size tires and wheels and you switched or he got that tractor. There were a few model 50 Cockshutts that we worked on with 15.5 X 38 tires. Also what I laughted about and this is mainly for "Oliver fan" in 1966 when we toured the Charles City plant we went throught the building where the crawlers had been built. They had 12 model 770 tractors there that were all on one order. 6 had either 16.9 or 18.4 X 34 (don't remember which for sure) tires and wheels the other six all had real skinny 42 in tires. It was the first I saw the spacers they used to adapt the 42 inch rims to the smaller cast centers. The first couple years (60-62) that I worked for the dealer we were always swaping wheels (tires0 front ends and power steering on tractors. Once tractors got larger in size and powere steering either was standard or nobody ordered one without that pretty much was also a thing of the past. Questions? send me an e-mail on the hpoca site. Merry Christmas everyone. J

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oliver fan

12-24-2005 07:22:24




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 Re: Factory Standard Rim/Tire Sizes? in reply to J. Schwiebert, 12-24-2005 04:59:18  
John,
I don't disagree with anything but maybe the date, 1958, 57 ,or 56, as to when the wider rims became avalible.

However, if you read ottoluck's orginal question he asked about Cockshutt tractors "1955 and earlier". That is why I answered his question as I did, and that information is correct.

If he had asked about later years, then I would have included the info you gave. I wanted to give correct info for the time frame he asked about.

Sometimes we give too much information on things that were changed on the production tractors in later years, and that creates more confusion than needed. Oh well.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.

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