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Cockshutt / Oliver model equivalents

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Rick in NB

10-24-2005 21:40:28




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I am new to the world of Cockshutt/Oliver tractors but it seems to me there was a total mess in the model designations before the White takeover. Mind you, I think it was sad to lose a great Canadian tractor company.

I understand that Cockshutt was Oliver"s way into the Canadian market. The home grown company name was no doubt more popular here. By rebadging some models, Cockshutt could extend their product line.

So while Cockshutt was selling model 20, 30, 35, 40 and 50"s, what was Oliver selling as equivalents? Where do the 60, 66, 70, 77, 80 and 88"s come in?

Then there is the 500 series. I am working on a basket case 550 Cockshutt (red belly, yellow tin, G0-198 engine) that certainly has no resemblance to a 550 Oliver (green). While Cockshutt was selling the 540, 550, 560, 570"s; successors to the model 30 on up, what was the equivalent Oliver model? And wasn"t there an experimental 580 model that got canned with the takeover by White? Is this when we see the 4 digit Oliver numbers or was there ever a true equivalent?

Thanks in advance for any replies.

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Wrenchbender

10-25-2005 06:41:26




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 Re: Cockshutt / Oliver model equivalents in reply to Rick in NB, 10-24-2005 21:40:28  
I just happen to be reading a book that you should probably have, it is "Cockshutt the complete story". It is compiled by the International Cockshutt Club and is the history of the Cockshutt family and company.

Cockshutt wasn't Oliver's way in to the Canadian market, but the Farm Bureau Coop was Cockshutt's way in to the U.S. Cockshutt thought it was more economical to market someone else's tractor than build one of their own. WWII changed that and they developed the 30. The White buyout was the end of Cockshutt tractors and White went back to selling Olivers as Cockshutts. WB.

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Rick in NB

10-25-2005 14:11:13




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 Re: Cockshutt / Oliver model equivalents in reply to Wrenchbender, 10-25-2005 06:41:26  
Yes I have seen some listings for that book. I think I will be needing to get soon.
The CO-OP tractors seemed to carry the same model designations ie: 30, 40, 50 etc, was that so they could be sold to US through the Farm Bureau Coop?



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Mike (WA)

10-26-2005 09:12:59




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 Re: Cockshutt / Oliver model equivalents in reply to Rick in NB, 10-25-2005 14:11:13  
For the Co-ops, they dropped the zero and put E in front- Co-op E-3 is a Cockshutt 30, etc. As to the number confusion between Oliver 550 and Cockshutt 550- Both companies were manufacturing their own tractors up until 1962, and it was just a coincidence that they used the same number. However, after 1962 and the cessation of production of tractors by Cockshutt, White began badging some Oliver tractors as Cockshutts, to capitalize on the name recognition in Canada. The Oliver 550 was one of those- so now we have two completely different tractors, both called Cockshutt 550. It can get confusing. Guy I know answered an ad, bought a 550 over the phone- thought he was getting a "Cockshutt"- when it came, it was an "Oliver-Cockshutt" 550- but it was a nice one, and the price was right, so he bought it anyway.

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alberta dave

10-26-2005 10:34:11




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 Re: Cockshutt / Oliver model equivalents in reply to Mike (WA), 10-26-2005 09:12:59  
I saw a curious picture in a local paper the other day. It was a tractor ( may an 88 ) in Oliver green with Cockshutt decalling on the side and Cockshutt stamped into the grill. Was there a green Cockshutt series back in early 50's?



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MCL

10-25-2005 05:08:46




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 Re: Cockshutt / Oliver model equivalents in reply to Rick in NB, 10-24-2005 21:40:28  
I will take a shot at this. The Oliver 60, 70, and 80 were sold as Cockshutts. Then Cockshutt had their own tractors until the White purchase in the early 60's. The 50 series Olivers such as the 1650 and 1850 were sold as Cockshutts. I am not sure when the Cockshutt name disappeared. I assume around 1970. As far as I know the Cockshutt models like the 30, 40, 50, 550, 570, etc had nothing to do with Oliver.

Then there were the combines. I think the Oliver 525, 535, and 545 combines were Cockshutt models when White bought them. Oliver had their own combines but those models were eventually dropped and the Cockshutt models were painted green.

If I am wrong about any of this I am sure someone will let me know.

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P Heisey-Harleysville,PA

10-25-2005 19:01:29




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 Re: Cockshutt / Oliver model equivalents in reply to MCL, 10-25-2005 05:08:46  
Gentleman,

Good information has been provided by others comments. The Cockshutt name on Oliver built tractors began in the very early 30's thru 1948. Cockshutt's own tractor production ran from 1946 thru early 1962. The Cockshutt name was used until 1974 when the new WHITE name replaced the Cockshutt, Oliver, and MM names and colors.

Phil Heisey 215-256-8651 FAX 215-256-1203



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Rick in NB

10-25-2005 14:17:15




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 Re: Cockshutt / Oliver model equivalents in reply to MCL, 10-25-2005 05:08:46  
I guess I had always assumed it to be a one for one model relationship kind of like Chevy and GMC, each having distinct but virtually identical/comparable models. Guess I am going to have to do some more in depth research.



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RAB

10-25-2005 10:01:07




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 Re: Cockshutt / Oliver model equivalents in reply to MCL, 10-25-2005 05:08:46  
Pretty close, I would think.
But they also sold the Oliver 90 as a Cockshutt as well as those smaller models in the range.
Regards, RAB



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