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Steering gear bearing retainer removal

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Super 55

09-05-2005 17:30:19




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I am just wondering how to take that eyelet out of the steering gear bearing retainer. There is no way to pull what is left of the bearing off using a puller against the retainer, I would just be pulling and pushing on the same part. There is no lip on the retainer to get any kind of vise grip on it.... The only thing I have been able to do is put the steering nut in the vise, put the steering wheel on and turn the shaft so that the block pushes on the part I have labeled #3. It pushes parts #2 and #3 towards the retainer, but it seems to lock up and I am afraid I will damgae the splines if I put too much torque on the shaft. Any ideas on how to get it off without damaging the shaft itself? I don't want to grind the parts off, I am not sure what the taper is like on the shaft and don't want to grind onto that surface.

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jake3x

09-08-2005 12:39:49




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 Re: Steering gear bearing retainer removal in reply to Super 55, 09-05-2005 17:30:19  
The eyelet is drilled out and replaced with a new one, the washer *1 will fall off. *2 is the race probably jammed with rusted bearings, *3 is the remnant of the bearing. Possible methods ater drilling eyelet are cracking *2 race can be with a hard blow, or afrer removal of washer use a puller on the bearing lip and the eyelet hole. The unit shown is a standard 55, you will see the lower bearing race after removal. The eyelet is usually brass.

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MikeS55d

09-07-2005 13:43:38




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 Re: Steering gear bearing retainer removal in reply to Super 55, 09-05-2005 17:30:19  
I downloaded another photo but I don't have any of the end of the shaft. Try downloading the photos and zoom in for a closer look.
The inner cup for the lower bearing is machined in the end of the shaft just like the one for the upper bearing. The retainer was nothing more than a sheet metal washer with a brass rivit or grommet pressed through the hole and into the end of the shaft. The rollers and cage had about 1/16" of axial play (retainer itself was tight to the shaft) to allow the bearing to self-align with the cup that is pressed into the floor of the box. The cup is similar to a wheel bearing cup on the front wheel hub of a car.
You are probably correct that your steering is a design that was updated early in the S55 production run. You may have to do some machining work to put a different type of bearing in, maybe make something out of Delrin.
In my research on the now almost obsolete stock bearing I came to the conclusion that the internal parts were "off the shelf" Saginaw parts assembled into an Oliver casting. Until I took the photos I hadn't even noticed the Oliver shield cast into the front of the box. Saginaw did the same for Ford tractors and probably others. I found identical parts in other truck and car applications but they were not as easily sourced as the tractor parts. If you look at the photos, on the steering shaft you can see a blue area just above the upper bearing position, that is where Saginaw welded on an extension to a standard car/truck worm for Oliver's application. A worm in a Saginaw box with short splined shaft for a rag joint looks just like the worm for a S55 with PS. They just used a splined adapter to couple the hyd. Gerotor. Somewhere out there is some stock steering parts that could be used to re-create a factory PS set-up.

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Super 55

09-07-2005 20:31:33




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 Re: Steering gear bearing retainer removal in reply to MikeS55d, 09-07-2005 13:43:38  
Thanks for the info.. I noticed the weld on the shaft were it was extended. I was a wondering if that was originally on there.



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JD in da UP

09-06-2005 20:47:33




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 Re: Steering gear bearing retainer removal in reply to Super 55, 09-05-2005 17:30:19  
Sorry I didn't get right back with you. I had mine apart about 18 months ago. You have got to believe that you can just tap lightly on that bearing part that is on the end of the shaft. Use a little punch and kind of line it up parallel to the screw threads on the steering shaft. It isn't all on there all that tight. Conversly, you could run a tap uo into the retainer a little way, clamp on your vise grips and tap the grips with a small hammer. You have to trust me opn this one. It looks like it's nice and clean and not rusted. More important in all this is all those little balls in the steel block full of teeth. You can get new ones real cheap from your auto parts house, they are 5/32" bbs and agco wants to much for them. Do you have a service manual? The IT manual for our favorite machine is real good. Well good luck , go out right now and tell me if you got it. Talk to you later. John

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Super 55

09-06-2005 21:17:58




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 Re: Steering gear bearing retainer removal in reply to JD in da UP, 09-06-2005 20:47:33  
JD. I think that retainer on mine was worked into the bearing, making it almost one part. I was thinking of taping out that hole on the retainer like you suggested. I have put PB Blaster on it hoping it will give it that little extra "slip-tivity". But I'll have to wait until the weekend to try it. Thanks for your suggestions.

Is your Super 55 an early one? It does seem that there are two different types of shafts. Early ones with separate bearing cups pressed on the shaft, and later ones with the tapered ends machined right on the shaft.

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JD in da UP

09-07-2005 19:22:27




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 Re: Steering gear bearing retainer removal in reply to Super 55, 09-06-2005 21:17:58  
The more I look at your picture, the more it seems to be just like mine. Yes, my super 55 is an early model. The one blowup picture in the pieces and parts area shows the shaft end, with the bearing removed. The retainer isn't anything unusual, the piece above it is just the inside of the bearing. Good luck again. John



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MikeS55d

09-06-2005 15:54:51




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 Re: Steering gear bearing retainer removal in reply to Super 55, 09-05-2005 17:30:19  
I just put my S55 steering box back together over the weekend. My lower bearing doesn"t look anything like yours. My arrangement is like shown in the parts book and I&T manual.
The lower bearing inner cup is machined as part of the worm screw (identical to the upper bearing at the top of the worm. The lower bearing (barrel rollers and cage) are loosely held onto the shaft by the retainer which is held by the eyelet. The eyelet seems the be a brass grommet pressed into the end of the shaft. I didn"t take this apart as my lower bearing was good. The bearing outer cup is pressed into the floor of the box. The loose fit of the bearing on the shaft allows self alignment of the bearing/shaft to the cup.
I wouldn"t try to use the worm/nut as a pushing tool, you will damage them when they reach the end of the screw. I will try to post some photos.

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Super 55

09-06-2005 20:41:10




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 Re: Steering gear bearing retainer removal in reply to MikeS55d, 09-06-2005 15:54:51  
Mike, do you have a picture of the lower end of the shaft itself? I am curious as to what the end looks like... is it all one piece? Because mine is not. looks like I have a retainer, but larger than what it looks like in the manual, what looks like a cearing cup with a separate pice that acts as a stop between the cup and end of the screw part of the shaft. I have an early 55 and I am thinking it was updated. I still have to get that cup off because is is damaged or find another steering shaft.

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MikeS55d

09-06-2005 16:27:38




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 Re: Steering gear bearing retainer removal in reply to MikeS55d, 09-06-2005 15:54:51  
3 photos posted to Parts and Pieces



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