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Asking advice on Row Crop 80 engine rebuild

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GaryS TX

07-22-2005 08:12:04




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I bought a 1946 Rc-80 in extremely poor condition. I had many doubts, but paid a scrap price so I thought it was worth a try. I knew the engine was frozen but the tractor was remarkably complete so the down side was to part it out, and an inspection of the lower engine showed no water in the oil and clean lower cylinders so I was hopeful.

When the usual tricks to unfreeze the engine did not work, I pulled the head and found two cylinders badly rusted (two valves were left open), and rusted valves in the head - one rusted clear off. The two cylinders with the rust are frozen - a large hammer and block resulted in no movement.

Now I'm rethinking the whole project, and seeking advice. I can always part it out but I hate to see that happen and besides this is really a pretty rare tractor. I'll need a complete engine rebuild, or replacement, the carb is rough but rebuildable, the mag looks ok. Needs radiator, gas tank, some sheet metal at least - likely other things as well. I'm not going to do anything though until I resolve the engine situation.

Questions:

1. Can an engine be found for this? Did Oliver build them or Continental?
2. Are there companies that know this engine and I could ship this to and have it rebuilt?
3. Are there engine parts available anyway - valves, pistons, rings, seals, gaskets?
4. And a heresy - is an engine transplant something anyone has considered, knowing the lower part of the engine now is part of the frame?

Any suggestions, guidance and advice would be appreciated. I'm back on the fence about this one.

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J. Schwiebert

07-22-2005 15:18:46




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 Re: Asking advice on Row Crop 80 engine rebuild in reply to GaryS TX, 07-22-2005 08:12:04  
Sorry, I read this at my son's and forgot to ask you this. Is your engine an 80 H C or an 80 K D? The heads are different and the valves are different lengths. Also it would help if we knew the bore of the enegine. The trick might be to clean and up and bore it out for oversize pistons? Questions/



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Geoffrey in KS

07-22-2005 13:14:27




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 Re: Asking advice on Row Crop 80 engine rebuild in reply to GaryS TX, 07-22-2005 08:12:04  
Take the crank out or at least take the rods loose. Leave your oil in the stuck cylinders and fill them the rest of the way with oil or what ever. Put the head back on. Knock the insulator out of a spark plug and tap it for a corresponding bolt. Drill the bolt clear through and tap it for a grease zerk. Use your grease gun to press the piston out. I would have the block on a barrel so the oil doesn't go all over. This has worked for me a couple times. Good luck and let us know what method works for you.

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old

07-22-2005 08:20:56




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 Re: Asking advice on Row Crop 80 engine rebuild in reply to GaryS TX, 07-22-2005 08:12:04  
What have you tried as far as getting it loose? Theres a lot of thing that will go a long ways in doing it by the way.



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GaryS TX

07-22-2005 09:21:21




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 Re: Asking advice on Row Crop 80 engine rebuild in reply to old, 07-22-2005 08:20:56  
The cylinders have been soaking for months in penetrating oil and transmission fluid. I"ve tried pulling it, rocking it, removing the head and hammering a wood block on the cylinders.



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old

07-22-2005 09:26:14




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 Re: Asking advice on Row Crop 80 engine rebuild in reply to GaryS TX, 07-22-2005 09:21:21  
Fill them up with turpentine and see what happens, with the tranny fluid already in there adding turpentine may just do the trick, may not either but what the heck. Don't use paint thinner but the real turpentine which can be a little hadr to find now days.



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john-holcomb

07-22-2005 11:23:14




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 Re: Asking advice on Row Crop 80 engine rebuild in reply to old, 07-22-2005 09:26:14  
The engine in the 18-27 and 80's are Waukesha's and the same engine was used in the row crop Huber of the same era. Your biggest challenge will be to have valves made to fit it and seats. If I remember correctly 409 chevy exaust valves and buick V6 exaust can be modified for the exaust and intakes. To break it loose remove the crank and sit the block on a 55 gallon drum and light a small fire in the barrel. Try and evenly heat the block to 400 to 500 degrees F, put a small chunck of dry ice on the piston top and allow it to set for about 5 min. Then hit your wood block with a 10# sledge. Repeat the entire procedure as required.

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J. Schwiebert

07-22-2005 15:15:48




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 Re: Asking advice on Row Crop 80 engine rebuild in reply to john-holcomb, 07-22-2005 11:23:14  
On the valves, I would use John Deere Valves. Most likely the guides are worn so you put the head in a good seat and guide machine, bore them out to .4375, put a new set of exhaust seats in it and you are good to go. You need to new retainers and keepers, but that is a cheaper way to go than fiddle around modifingy valves. Questions/



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