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540/1000 PTO Horse Power

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Greg LaBonte

06-24-2005 16:43:46




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Just bought a Oliver 1850 Gas. I,d like to put an 8 foot snowblower on it. This requires a min. of 80 hp at the PTO. While reading the operators manual, page 4-20 it says: "The capacity of 540 rpm PTO is limited to 60 horsepower implements.A 1000 rpm PTO may be used for any horsepower implement". Why is the 540 rpm PTO only rated for 60 hp and not the full rated hp of 92? Will I break something if I put a 540 rpm, 8 foot blower on it? Please help.

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Greg LaBonte

06-30-2005 17:23:30




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 Re: 540/1000 PTO Horse Power in reply to Greg LaBonte, 06-24-2005 16:43:46  
Thankyou guys for the help. Looks like the best choice would be a 1000 rpm blower.



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e

06-25-2005 19:57:18




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 Re: 540/1000 PTO Horse Power in reply to Greg LaBonte, 06-24-2005 16:43:46  
Speaking of 540 vs. 1000, does anyone have a 1000 rpm shaft for a 1755? I'm looking at getting a disc mower and most need 1000 rpm.

Thanks,
Eric



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David M

06-24-2005 23:14:37




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 Re: 540/1000 PTO Horse Power in reply to Greg LaBonte, 06-24-2005 16:43:46  
To carry 80hp the 540 shaft needs to carry 780ft/lbs of torque. The 1000 shaft only needs to carry 420foot/lbs for 80 hp. If you"ve ever pulled on a big torque wrench you could imagine what that shaft has to transmit. I"m not saying your application won"t work, just keep in mind the high stress on that shaft and any additional shock loads could send you on a hunt for a new shaft.



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RWT

06-24-2005 20:35:21




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 Re: 540/1000 PTO Horse Power in reply to Greg LaBonte, 06-24-2005 16:43:46  
I have posted this before but a few years ago I asked a trusted dealer about that rating. He said it was OSHA.

I have watched a 1950T make at least full rated horsepower on the 540 PTO and on top of that, this same dealer had a PTO dyno that, as I remember, went to 250 HP.

If the driveline and PTO is in good shape I'd let it 'eat' as they say. You won't have a problem with what you are doing here.

RT

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J. Schwiebert

06-25-2005 05:21:44




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 Re: 540/1000 PTO Horse Power in reply to RWT, 06-24-2005 20:35:21  
I broke a 540 shaft while testing a 1750 and it flew through a good wooden shop door. OSHA does not have that restiction. Yes Dynometers scalses went that high because the other side of it is for a 1000 RPM. You need to understand torque better. Remember if horsepower stays the same, and speed goes down torque rises. All shafts, gearboxes, etc are rated in torque not horsepower. Torque and RPM are then used to calculate the torque load on the drive. Also remember you can use a 100 Horse power tractor to drive a 40 horsepower load so many higher horsepower were only equipped with 540 only shafts and the converse if why you could not get a 150 plus horsepower tractor with a 540 shaft. Questions?

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RWT

06-26-2005 19:44:37




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 Re: 540/1000 PTO Horse Power in reply to J. Schwiebert, 06-25-2005 05:21:44  
The question as I saw it was, can I (He) pull more than 62 hp on a 540. A little common sense (which I sometimes forget is not common) will allow you to run this rig. We run an 1800 on a 72 foot 12 inch auger(7+ years now). 90 horse rating. Sometimes the 1950T has pulled the auger. What that has shown me is that a 540 can withstand more than 62 horse on a regular basis. That blower is probably a little like the auger. Horse power requirements vary minute by minute.

I should have left the PTO dyno comment out. It has indeed been several years since I saw that dyno but I do believe the 1000 side had its own scale. I have found with time though my memory will play tricks. So I could be wrong about it. I�ve been wrong before. The OSHA comment came from the dealer. Blame him.

I respect your experience which is considerable, but I understand torque and horsepower at least as well as you. In fact; HP = RPM x Torque / C (C, a constant; 5252 if I recall correctly)
Rearrange.
Torque = HP x C / RPM
Rearrange again.
RPM = HP x C / Torque
The rearranged formulas shows an inverse relation between torque and rpm. I knew that before that posting. That wasn't the question as I saw it.

All I really wanted to say was that based on MY experience he can pull a 80 hp blower on the 1850. An 1850 doesn�t sound excessive to me. If something is loose, bent or damaged then all bets are off. You threw the dive line through the door with a 1750. Sounds to me there is more to that story .

I don't mean to be snide, but what should he do? Buy a shovel?

This is all I have to say. It is very unlikely I will post anything again.

RT

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RickB

06-25-2005 03:29:10




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 Re: 540/1000 PTO Horse Power in reply to RWT, 06-24-2005 20:35:21  
Those ratings predate OSHA. 1 3/8" shafting simply will not stand a steady diet of the torque loads generated by high HP. That is exactly why dual speed PTO units on tractors of all colors suffer twisted off 540 shafts far, far more often that twisted off 1000 shafts.



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mowr

06-24-2005 17:49:46




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 Re: 540/1000 PTO Horse Power in reply to Greg LaBonte, 06-24-2005 16:43:46  
A given shaft can carry lots more HP at the higher rpm than at the lower rpm. That's the reason the higher HP tractors always(?) have the 1000 rpm capability. At the lower rpm it's much easier for the tractor to twist (torque) the shaft off.



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