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Cockshutt 40 or 50

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Quebec Red

06-19-2005 16:58:25




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In going over some specifications of these tractors, I am wondering how these units compared in the field to the Farmalls of the era, mainly a 40 and a 50 compared to a Super M with TA and IPTO. This tractor had a 264 inch motor verses a 277 in a 50 or the 230 inch 40. There were SMTAs and 40s and a few 50s around here, but that was before me. My elderly uncle said that a SM would easily outwork a MH 44, but does not recall going beside a Cockshutt. In silofilling or threshing on the belt the Farmalls did well. The IPTO of each brand had the same advantage. Not using the TA as a powershift, but as a means to have more ratios. I DO NOT want biased opinions or a color war, just some information as to how these old girls did in the real world. I think looking at the specs available that the tractors would be similar. I would like to imagine the field days of 1954-55.

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Tim in NB

06-21-2005 16:01:05




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 Re: Cockshutt 40 or 50 in reply to Quebec Red, 06-19-2005 16:58:25  
Here is some Nebraska tractor test ratings using the SAE rating:

Farmall H Gas-drawbar:19.13, belt/pto:23.72
Farmall M Gas-drawbar:25.83, belt/pto:33.35
Farmall super H Gas-drawbar:22.38, belt/pto:29.42
Farmall super M Gas-drawbar:33.18, belt/pto:41.28
Massey 44 Gas -drawbar:31.02, belt/pto:39.98
Massey 44 spec. gas-drawbar:34.39, belt/pto:42.75
Cockshutt 40 Gas-drawbar:30.05, belt/pto:38.75
Cockshutt 50 Gas-drawbar:38.63, belt/pto:49.14

Don't forget that the SAE rated drawbar horsepower is 75% of calculated maximum and 85% for the belt/pto.

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havvey

06-21-2005 09:10:57




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 Re: Cockshutt 40 or 50 in reply to Quebec Red, 06-19-2005 16:58:25  
they held there own, a torque amp is a tremendous advantage in a hard pull live power was an advantage in baliing etc. you will sometimes see a tractor that comes in the middle of two like between an h and an m so that is a tough call example an a john deere a will eat an h but is not quite up with an m each tractor has some advantage in some area is all in what you do. the other problem is if you look at what period they came out an h i believe 1939 big difference in something that hit the market in 55 like a massey 333 etc hope this helps

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Mike (WA)

06-21-2005 08:19:38




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 Re: Cockshutt 40 or 50 in reply to Quebec Red, 06-19-2005 16:58:25  
Actually, I think I recall that the Cockshutt 35 (4 cylinder Hercules gas) was the all-time winner among wheel tractors in the Nebraska tractor tests as to percentage of its own weight it could pull.



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Ohio Puller

06-20-2005 16:39:47




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 Re: Cockshutt 40 or 50 in reply to Quebec Red, 06-19-2005 16:58:25  
I spent over 25 years farming with my dad and brothers and we owned many different makes and modles of tractors over the years. I own two Cockshutts, a John Deere, and a Allis Chalmers now but don't farm now. I beleave one is about the same as another as long as your talking same size. I think it's all in what you like and what you want. I like the Cockshutts because not everyday you see one and not everybody has one. Just my opinion, and the best info you can get is from spec sheets.

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Quebec Red

06-21-2005 16:22:38




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 Re: Cockshutt 40 or 50 in reply to Ohio Puller, 06-20-2005 16:39:47  
Thanks guys for the information. I think a Cockshutt 50 rowcrop would be pretty intimidating on a corn chopper, that six cylinder should really hang in. I remember Cockshutt 35s with the Perkins and wow power steering. Sure was a good seller compared to a Farmall 350 with the Continental motor. They were always hard starters and heavy smokers. QR



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