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Oliver 16, 17, 18, or 19 - Most bang for the buck

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Steve Peoples

05-03-2005 08:14:02




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I've been playing around now for more than a month trying to find the 'right' Oliver for the right price. My $$$ is in and I'm ready to buy....Need some advice from the Oliver experts.... I have a super 55 gas which I like for mowing, but is too small for blade/plowing. I'm looking at 16, 17, 18, and 1900 series tractors. 1600 series is probaby just enough power....1900 is probably too much tractor for my application.I think I prefer diesel but only because my 55 gas costs me more than a tank to mow 12 acres each week. My neighbor has a David Brown diesel and he mows all summer, each week, on less than 3 tanks. Am I right about diesel being cheaper to operate? Are the diesels better motors? I see Wheatland, Waukensau (spelling is probably wrong on both) and have no idea. I do know I don't want LP..... Looking for help and recoomendations.

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MH

05-03-2005 11:27:18




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 Re: Oliver 16, 17, 18, or 19 - Most bang for the b in reply to Steve Peoples, 05-03-2005 08:14:02  
What size plow are you wanting to pull, how much land are you planning on working up and how fast?



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Steve Peoples

05-03-2005 15:29:35




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 Re: Oliver 16, 17, 18, or 19 - Most bang for the b in reply to MH, 05-03-2005 11:27:18  
My neighbor"s David Brown is a 1210 @ 65 hp I think.It handles the 8" box blade very well , even with a full box and digging teeth down. I figure this is about the size of a 1600 series Oliver. Every year I plow about an acre garden patch with a 3 bottom plow. The Super 55 handles the plow okay, but can"t do the disk or box blade very well. I have 24 acres that I mow all the time and the main reason I"m looking for a bigger Olliver is to handle a bat-wing mower. I have @ 1200 feet of 10 foot wide gravel driveway that needs box blade grading several times a year. I work out of town during the week and olny have the weekend to mow and spend time with the family. The more I can cut down on mowing time, the better. I"m thinking a 1600 or 1700 series Oliver is probably right, but I"m seeing more 1800 series advertised that 1600 or 1700 series. From what I"ve heard here..... from a cost perspective the diesel is the better choice. I think there are several diesel engines in Olivers. Which is the most dependable? I will still keep the Super 55 to do finish mowing around the house @ 2 acres and occassional3-bottom plowing....The bigger Oliver is for the blade and bat-wing.....Thanks for your help

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Texas Denny

05-03-2005 10:15:05




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 Re: Oliver 16, 17, 18, or 19 - Most bang for the b in reply to Steve Peoples, 05-03-2005 08:14:02  
J. Schwiebert makes a good point. The 1700, 1800 and 1900 would be too big for a 5' shredder. You'd need to get a different one (different size for each tractor). Too much power means broken equipment.



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Texas Denny

05-03-2005 10:02:16




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 Re: Oliver 16, 17, 18, or 19 - Most bang for the b in reply to Steve Peoples, 05-03-2005 08:14:02  
I have only one diesel (D-17 Allis). I don't use it a lot but I only need to add fuel once a year. I have 15 gas tractors (including Oliver). They usually need fuel everytime I use them. Diesels are unique in that, if the load is small, the fuel useage is small and practically commensurately so. Gas takes 10 times as much fuel when idling as diesel and usually about 30 to 100% more when working. The heavier the load, the closer the consumption is but gas never gets better than about 30% more. Some diesels take half as much or less on all loads. They also last longer between rebuilds. The fuel never goes bad when in storage. They, however, don't start as well in cold weather - some might not start at all. We used to have a 77 diesel. It started good down to about zero.

You are talking newer stuff than 77. They may have solved cold weather starting on the hundred series. If you are using on different levels of loads, diesel has a big advantage.

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J. Schwiebert

05-03-2005 09:57:09




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 Re: Oliver 16, 17, 18, or 19 - Most bang for the b in reply to Steve Peoples, 05-03-2005 08:14:02  
Do you want to go to a larger chopper, Is a wide front end necessary. What size David Brown does your neighbor have? Do you need a low profile utility tractor? Do you have children who would be driving? Can you do some custom mowing? You are dealing with 35-40 horsepower now. A 1900 depending on series could be from 90 to a 100 plus. You probably could not use all that power and if you get one with a Detroit do you have a noise ordanance since I assume you don't live 5 miles from the next house. Just some things I thought I would ask.

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Steve Peoples

05-03-2005 15:35:30




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 Re: Oliver 16, 17, 18, or 19 - Most bang for the b in reply to J. Schwiebert, 05-03-2005 09:57:09  
I think I answered most of these questions in my response above...Other than the noise and children. I have no children who would be mowing. Both my boys are grown and gone. No noise ordances that I know of for tractors, but I wouldn"t want to upset my neighbors..... We are all on 12 or 24 acre tracts..... .I"d appreciate your suggestions on whick model Oliver and diesel engine would work best for me. Thanks

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J. Schwiebert

05-03-2005 17:09:31




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 Re: Oliver 16, 17, 18, or 19 - Most bang for the b in reply to Steve Peoples, 05-03-2005 15:35:30  
In my opinon the gas engines used in the 1800 models are one of the best gas engines ever put in a farm tractor. Good on fuel. The 1800 diesel would be fine for what you do. We sold a bunch of 1600 diesel tractors very trouble free however closer to 60 horse power than 65. A 1650 or 1655 would make you a good tractor also. I don't know where you are but you should get together with about 2 of your neighbors and rent the surplus acres out for hay. Getting back to the diesel engines. The 1900 series have the 4 cylinder 2 stroke Detroit diesel engines. The 1850 diesel uses a Perkins and all the rest have a combination Oliver/Waukesha engine. Like any other tractor there are some good ones some that had not had any care and they may cause you some problems. In my 2 cents worth the direct injection 1650/1655 would be first choice a 1600 would be second choice. Now I always was a diesel fan, but maybe for the hours you are going to use the tractor an 1800 gas would do the job. Questions?

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MH

05-04-2005 06:06:07




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 Re: Oliver 16, 17, 18, or 19 - Most bang for the b in reply to J. Schwiebert, 05-03-2005 17:09:31  
I agree with J., the 1650/1655 series sounds like it would fit your needs the best. But, if the 1800s are easier to find in your area you will have power to spare.



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