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Set up a 1650 to plow

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MH

04-04-2005 05:25:53




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Have not done much heavy tillage with my 1650, but I picked up a fully mounted 4-16 plow at a sale this weekend. What is the best set up for draft control on this plow? I believe the manual indicates the bottom holes for the lower links. I am not sure that I am reading it right though. We haven't done a lot of plowing since grandpa passed in the 80s, so I am pretty inexperienced.

Thanks in advance for any pointers or advice.

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Carlton Grambo

04-05-2005 09:43:41




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 Re: Set up a 1650 to plow in reply to MH, 04-04-2005 05:25:53  
As a kid I watched 880's pull trailer type plows of 14 or 16. Granted the soil is lighter in some areas where I live but isn't the 1650 just a updated version of the 880? I have watched as recently as two years ago a 1600 pulling a 4 bottom semi mounted around Barron, WI. WE always the guages when we were doing any field work. Good Luck. Wish I was there.



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MH

04-05-2005 07:06:18




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 Re: Set up a 1650 to plow in reply to MH, 04-04-2005 05:25:53  
Thanks for the info. I have a few things to do to get the plow ready, and then I'm going to give her a try. The front end has about 5 weights on it.
Thanks,
Matthew



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Pawel

04-04-2005 19:57:46




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 Re: Set up a 1650 to plow in reply to MH, 04-04-2005 05:25:53  
Hi MH,

I have a 1650 diesel I use with a 5 furrow semi-mount- it will pull it only when I have the last trip beam chained up, making it into a 4 furrow... I ran it in 2nd hydra power or 2nd direct and it pulled it all right, not much faster though. If you have a fully mounted you'd be safest with a front weight so you don't have the front end bouncing around when your plowing. I try to run it in direct drive and powershift down with the hydra power if I hit a tough spot(in some cases that can be 70% of the field :)

If you mount it in the middle holes you should be ok for general plowing.. if you need to stop and adjust it do that- any plow/tractor combo takes a bit of adjusting to get it the way you want it.

God bless,

Pawel

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Pawel

04-04-2005 20:03:16




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 Re: Set up a 1650 to plow in reply to Pawel, 04-04-2005 19:57:46  
I forgot to tell you, when you are plowing WATCH THE TEMP AND THE OIL PRESSURE!!!! A friend of mine lost some rods thru the block b/c he let the oil pressure drop while plowing with a 1855- granted not the same engine, but a good general precaution.

God bless,

Pawel



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Dean Barker

04-04-2005 10:26:44




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 Re: Set up a 1650 to plow in reply to MH, 04-04-2005 05:25:53  
You may want to try setting the draft control by placing one draft arm in the lower hole, and the other in the middle hole. I did this on a 1750 pulling a 5-14 semi-mounted Oliver plow and it was perfect. Both in the middle holes was not enough draft control and both in the bottom holes was too much draft control.



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Leob

04-04-2005 07:22:10




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 Re: Set up a 1650 to plow in reply to MH, 04-04-2005 05:25:53  
MH,

I doubt the 1650 will want to pull a fully mounted 4x16 plow in the soils around your area. Maybe a 4x16 semi mounted would not be so bad, but fully mounted will be one heck of a load on the 1650. Watch the temp gauge.



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MH

04-04-2005 08:14:38




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 Re: Set up a 1650 to plow in reply to Leob, 04-04-2005 07:22:10  
Yea I'm worried about it myself. I figgured if it can't pull it I will just pull a bottom off, or sell the plow.



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Marc Smothers

04-04-2005 15:02:00




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 Re: Set up a 1650 to plow in reply to MH, 04-04-2005 08:14:38  
We used to pull a White 348 4x16 mounted with our White 2-70 for years before we moved up to larger tractor(American 80). Never had weights on the front, and hardly ever lifted the front axle. We have about 4" of topsoil and the rest is blue/grey clay..... .. Just have to watch it and she'll do it. Your wheels should slip before you hurt the tractor.... Marc



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Ken S.

04-04-2005 19:28:57




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 Re: Set up a 1650 to plow in reply to Marc Smothers, 04-04-2005 15:02:00  
We pulled 4-16 with our 560 in black ground and red clay. Different color but it did it.



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Princeton Bill

04-04-2005 14:29:08




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 Re: Set up a 1650 to plow in reply to MH, 04-04-2005 08:14:38  
Make sure you have weights on the front of that old girl. She'll be a little light in the front when you lift that fully mounted plow out of the ground. They'll also help as your plowing to keep the front end on the ground when/if you hit tough spots.



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edchainsaw

04-07-2005 19:54:23




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 Re: Set up a 1650 to plow in reply to Princeton Bill, 04-04-2005 14:29:08  
We use to do a lot of plowing. In all soil types and my grampa had an 1800c he had a 6 bottom plow on.

From what I recall the mounted plows were a bit easier to pull than the semi's and the semi-mounts easier than pull-types.

that was the reason that Harry Ferguson came up with using 3pt machinery.

oh and to do it right that 1650 will need to have some extra ballast on its rear wheels as well.

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