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Oliver won't start now.

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Oliver-Newbie

02-02-2005 14:22:37




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Oliver Newbie here.

I just inherited an Oliver crawler. Ran great when I started it 4 months ago, won�t start now. Not even a cough. Tractor is stored in a dry barn, 30-45 degrees.

What I know.

It is an OC-46 loader. (looks like one and the nameplate says it is one)
It has gas in the tank (took me a while to find tank, didn�t know I was sitting on it)
It turns over fine (charged the battery and it spins fine)
This is a working tractor, not a restoration. These 4 months without being started is probably the longest it has sat in years.

Tests I have run

Now bear with me here. I am wishing I took auto-shop in high school. I�m reasonably handy, just don�t know much about gasoline engines tractor or otherwise. I�m an electrical engineer, if you want to know about high-speed digital circuits I�m your guy, tractor parts I�m just learning...


1. I removed the middle spark plug, cranked the engine and saw spark.

2. There is liquid which I assume is gas in the fuel bowl.

3. I disconnected the hose to what I assume is the air-cleaner. An aprox 1.5� dia rubber lined hosed running from the rear of the carb toward the rear of the tractor. There was gas in the bottom of the carb.

4. With the choke in (lean mixture) I squirted some starter fluid into the carb. No effect. Pulled choke out, still no effect.

5 I removed the exhaust stack and as I crank the engine puffs of mist come out of exhaust manifold pipe. Smells like gas, but by this point there is gas in carb, starter fluid etc. so smell is 50-50.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

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Butcher

02-03-2005 18:08:12




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 Re: Oliver won't start now. in reply to Oliver-Newbie, 02-02-2005 14:22:37  
Like I said earlier, I no nothing about an Oc. but an engine is an engine. If you have spark,fuel and compression you have a running tractor. If your machine was sitting for 4 months you might want to pull all the plugs and scwert in about an ounce of oil into each cyl. Replace the plugs and give it a spin. I have done this on old worn out engines that had REALLYlow compession and they would start. That is also a indicator of some problems that need attn.
I looked up what an OC is and now I want one.

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Tip

02-03-2005 04:46:11




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 Re: Oliver won't start now. in reply to Oliver-Newbie, 02-02-2005 14:22:37  
Hey Ollie, if it was running when you put her in the barn, and no one has been messing, this should be pretty simple.

Find the fuel shutoff valve and cut off the the fuel to the carb. I'm not familiar with the OC, but assume it has a cutoff. Always cut the fuel off when you stop the tractor.

Remove the carb and drain it - don't take anything apart, just shake it around until no more gas comes out and then put it someplace warm.

Remove the spark plugs and see if they look clean or oily. If they look oily, you can replace or just wipe them off.

Once you carb looks dry, put her back on and reconnect the fuel. Before you do anything, hit it with a bit of starter fluid and see if she fires. If she does, then open the fuel shutoff and crank her up.

Take it easy on the choke - these old machines are easy to flood and every engine will start a little different. If you do flood it, open the thottle all the way up, turn off the fuel and crank a few times. If it doesn't kick off, let her sit and then try again. Once she pops, put the throttle in a more normal starting position and see if you can't get her running.

Tip

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Fern(Mi)

02-02-2005 20:54:19




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 Re: Oliver won't start now. in reply to Oliver-Newbie, 02-02-2005 14:22:37  
It's getting that time of year, the wife's hair dryer comes in handy drying out the condensation inside the distributor cap, be it an Ollie, JD, Ford, AC, etc around here.

Watch taking cap off. Some have ultra small clips, bushings, spacers, or whatever?

Fernan
Foxfire Farms Shorthorns



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Ross

02-02-2005 18:56:06




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 Re: Oliver won't start now. in reply to Oliver-Newbie, 02-02-2005 14:22:37  
Not to disagree with you Butcher but I'm not sure how it would get out of time in the four months it sat there; is it possible somebody may have tampered with it while it was sitting? It apparently drove in there fine( my assumption from the post)? I'd pull all the plugs and see what they look like maybe they're all fouled. My guess wpuld be stale or bad gas maybe even water condesation in the tank from extended inactivity . I'd say that because he's got some sort of spark. And Gas/liquid is going in the motor out the exhaust so he's getting fuel. Air, He should be getting enough to get something shooting ether direct into carb though in all fairness that could rule out bad gas. If it were me I'd start with seeing if the gas smells like varnish and maybe add some HEET then from there. Then check points, timing etc. Sorry for the long post hopefully someone will be able to help you
Ross

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oliver-newbie

02-02-2005 19:33:40




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 Re: Oliver won't start now. in reply to Ross, 02-02-2005 18:56:06  

I would be suprised if timing was off. Nobody ran or fooled with tractor in these 4 months

Again my ignorance but if it was points and condensor would I get any spark, in time or not.

The plug I pulled out looked wet with gas and maybe a little oil. Wiped it off and looked fine.

What is HEET?

Again thanks to everyone!!



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Ross

02-04-2005 10:24:09




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 Re: Oliver won't start now. in reply to oliver-newbie, 02-02-2005 19:33:40  
Sorry to take so long getting back to you. Yes you can have spark and the engine be out of time. The plug will still spark as the engine rotates just not when you need it to combust the gas. i guess if the plug has gas on it and its not running you have a number of options 1: its flooded 2: The gas is contaminated ie stale or water in the gas and will not ignite or a distant 3rd in my opinon but I've seen it before the plug fouls under compression. This is where the plug sparks out of the motor but is too weak to fire the motor. I've had a new plug (champion)out of the box exhibt these signs.
HEET is a product made by Golden Eagle it comes in a yellow bottle and is sold pretty much everywhere. It's some sort of alcohol that abosrbs the water in the gas and allows it to be combusted in the motor. Another good product by Golden Eagle is Stabil it keeps gas from going from turning to varnish and from going stale as quickly. I've found in my experience and opinion the ethanol gas being sold today goes stale fairly quickly.
Hope you get it running soon.
Ross

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Butcher

02-02-2005 18:01:42




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 Re: Oliver won't start now. in reply to Oliver-Newbie, 02-02-2005 14:22:37  
I am no expert on what you got but, check the distribitor, points, and condenser. Just cause you are getting spark dont mean its getting it when it needs it. Timing?



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Larry from MD

02-02-2005 14:40:13




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 Re: Oliver won't start now. in reply to Oliver-Newbie, 02-02-2005 14:22:37  
Sounds like its flooded.Turn off the gas at the filter bowl,don't add any more either.If you have a good battery try cranking with the throttle set on fast and no choke.It may clear enough gas that it will star hitting.The other thing is to remove the plugs and crank with switch so you have no spark,but this is MORE dangerous as any spark from a plug or wire can start a fire.REconnect everything when it hits.Your carb needle valve is probably not hold the gas out.So turn off the gas when not useing.

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Oliver-Newbie

02-02-2005 14:50:30




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 Re: Oliver won't start now. in reply to Larry from MD, 02-02-2005 14:40:13  
Thanks, will try.

Not to sound totaly ignorant but where do you turn off the gas?

Thanks again



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Scott Green

02-03-2005 04:53:41




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 Re: Oliver won't start now. in reply to Oliver-Newbie, 02-02-2005 14:50:30  
I was wondering if the gas was turned on. After reading this reply , that could be your starting problem.



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VADAVE

02-02-2005 16:39:40




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 Re: Oliver won't start now. in reply to Oliver-Newbie, 02-02-2005 14:50:30  
Don't know much about the crawlers, but. I would look around the tank where the fuel line comes out, there should be a shut off there. It may be to stiff to turn (only if it hasn't been turned off for a while. The other way to shut off the gas is to disconnect the line at the carb and shove a sharpened dowel in it. Another thing you can do, if you have some time, is to turn off the gas, remove the plugs and go away for a while. Take the plugs with you; blow them off with compressed air and then put them in your oven with the temp set low. Since you have them out, check the gap or, if they're old replace them.
When you go back to the tractor don't turn the gas on, do put the plugs back in. Oh yeah take off the top of the air cleaner. Try to start it. Nothing that's good, hit a light shot of ether--it should catch a little. Turn on the gas and start it. Remember gas engine require Air; Gas and spark to work.

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