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2050 mfwd engine swap or value???

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Paul Winter

01-23-2005 18:09:56




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My father in law has a 2050 he wants to resurect or sell. the hercules engine was run out of oil do not know the condition.He is looking at a perkins to put back in there.I dont know but sounds like a problem child waiting to be born. How about a cummins???? how good of engine was the hercules when they were kept up???? any guesses on value??? thanks Paul




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hi

01-27-2005 07:37:17




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 Re: 2050 mfwd engine swap or value??? in reply to Paul Winter, 01-23-2005 18:09:56  
if you would like to sell it i would like to buy it ,thanks john



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JLC

01-24-2005 15:40:13




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 Re: 2050 mfwd engine swap or value??? in reply to Paul Winter, 01-23-2005 18:09:56  
I had a 2-135 White with the Hercules motor. Put over 8,000 hours of hard, hard work on it before it died on us. Our Fire Department also has a 2 1/2 ton military 6X6 with the multi-fuel Hercules. It never lacks any power pulling 3500 gallons of water up any hills or through any muddy yards and fields that we have to navigate. In my opinion these engines are very reliable. Just my 2 cents.
JLC

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Shep VA

01-24-2005 08:41:36




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 Re: 2050 mfwd engine swap or value??? in reply to Paul Winter, 01-23-2005 18:09:56  
As Dave said, I have a 2150 4x4 that I put a 5.9L Cummins engine into when my 478 Hurk gave up on me.

I ran the 478 for about two years before it blew up and it was an OK engine, but it had it share of problems. It had a good amount of power, but it tended to get hot quickly when under heavy loads. The intake and exhaust manifolds were made togeather so it got the air hot going into the engine, that is why you dont see many of them with mufflers, and the side panels are screens, people are trying to get the heat away from them. The oil pressure shifted heavly on mine too, specially if you changed from going up hill to down, the pressure would drop suddenly and then return. I also hated the fuel usage on that engine, pulling hard it would eat 10 gal/hr with no problem.

I think they fixed some of these problems in the later 478 models of White tractors with a larger radiator, better pumps, and some updates to the engine, but you will always fight a hot condition in an Oliver, because of the smaller radiator.

These engines are also pricy to rebuild as I found out. It was going to cost about the same to rebuild the Hurk as it was to buy the Cummins. Hmmmmm, no brainer here.....
The 478 is a military engine and you can find them in the duece and 1/2 trucks. Not all the components are the same but you can switch yours over onto that engine. You can find the military engines pretty cheap, but they still have a lot of the same issues with heat and fuel usage.

I opted for the 5.9L 6BTA Cummins engine. I have it running 210 HP on the PTO, it doesnt get hot at all, is a modern engine, and only drinks about 7 gal/hr under full load. The conversion did cost a little more then a rebuld, but it is a whole lot more tractor now.

Easy conversion, lots of room in the tub to work, the bell housings are all ready to take the Cummins, easy and quick conversion, I would do it again.

So you really have three options....

Sell the tractor as is with a busted engine and get $2,000 to maybe $3,000 out of it.

Put a cheap military engine in it and you will get what you have now, but it will be origional and have about the same resale value.

Or put a Cummins engine in it, have a bigger HP tractor that burns less fuel, spend a little more money on the tractor and have a little less resale.

Depends on if you want it original, want to use it yourself or want to sell it.

Good luck

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VADAVE

01-23-2005 18:41:30




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 Re: 2050 mfwd engine swap or value??? in reply to Paul Winter, 01-23-2005 18:09:56  
SHEP VA has a 2150 (same tractor with a turbo) that he swaped a cummins into. He gets on here occassionaly(sp) so you can get his advice.



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Shep VA

01-24-2005 08:24:05




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 Re: 2050 mfwd engine swap or value??? in reply to VADAVE, 01-23-2005 18:41:30  
Hey Dave, I am still around, just been busy in the shop and on the farm here lately.

Did ya get any snow over your way??



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Wrenchbender

01-23-2005 18:23:25




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 Re: 2050 mfwd engine swap or value??? in reply to Paul Winter, 01-23-2005 18:09:56  
A used equipment dealer in Ohio used to advertise those Hercules engines. Someone else will have the name, I can't think of it right now. That engine was used in military applications and they may be available surplus. WB.



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olg1355

01-24-2005 13:09:26




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 Re: 2050 mfwd engine swap or value??? in reply to Wrenchbender, 01-23-2005 18:23:25  
Reitzel Brothers in Edon,Ohio used to have some of the military engines. Phone 419- 272-2680



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m kuhns

01-23-2005 20:01:51




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 Re: 2050 mfwd engine swap or value??? in reply to Wrenchbender, 01-23-2005 18:23:25  
I think the place you are thinking of is Sam Winer motors. We got a good bare head for 100 bucks. They also have a website. They had the military engines to sell, called a (something) **465. It is the same cubic inch /engine as the 478 hercules. However, it is a multifuel engine running around 22:1 compression ratio. You would probably have to use your fuel system, exhaust and intake manifolds. Hope this helps.

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Adam Suess

01-24-2005 16:23:25




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 Re: 2050 mfwd engine swap or value??? in reply to m kuhns, 01-23-2005 20:01:51  
military engine LDT 465 non turbo LDT 465 1c non turbo engine converted to turbo for smoke controll (some times called a wistler). LDS 465 1a full turbo engine used in 5 tons 195 hp LDS 465 2a same engine but slightly more power 200 hp. The lds is a bit better engine in my opinion. $1000 to 2,000 should buy a nearly new one. You would need to use your front cover and injection pump if you want original and possibly your exost manifolds depending on what engine you get. all parts should inter change. a whole lot cheaper than a cummins. They do use more fuel but are not a bad engine by my standards. good luck

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ol George

01-23-2005 18:32:35




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 Re: 2050 mfwd engine swap or value??? in reply to Wrenchbender, 01-23-2005 18:23:25  
I have a Hercules out of 155 White, we had plans for a pulling tractor. I would sell it, more projects than time.



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