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Hey ShepVA

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VADAVE

12-18-2004 11:18:35




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Since I'm looking around salvage yards for 2255 parts thought I would also look for 1855 parts.
You start assembling the components for when the 1855 needs an engine. So I asked if they had a 1850 engine frame. Yes but they wanted to sell me a 2-105 or 2-85 frame "it's better". Of course the question is will it work for a conversion to cummins?
I know the Whites used the trunion mount.
Did you ever find out if the trunion mount will work in the 1855?

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marc smothers

12-19-2004 16:23:18




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 Re: Hey ShepVA in reply to VADAVE, 12-18-2004 11:18:35  
I put 1955 tin work on my 2-105. Only needed to use fuel tank from 1955 and change the small little side panel how it mounted to the frame because the 2-105 uses an oil cooler at the bottom of the radiator and the Oliver does not. I did this so i could put my loader that tractor. The only difference between a 1850 Diesel tub and 2-85/2-105 is the White has a small shim between tub and rear end for added room for trunion mount. The front motor mounts for the White attach to the top of the frame, whereas the Oliver is down in the front, But the White tub has the holes there to mount motor the same as the Oliver... marc

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Shep Va

12-18-2004 18:09:02




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 Re: Hey ShepVA in reply to VADAVE, 12-18-2004 11:18:35  
Larry is right, the frames are different and the sheet metal becomes the issue, unless you want it to look like a White on the nose. Get the 1850 frame or cut the mounts on the 1855.

I have an old 1855 frame laying at the shop, figured I would take it by the FFA dept and let the kids blast the mounts out with their plasma cutter sometime and I would have a frame ready for a Cummins if I ever needed one... Hey, you just never know.... :-)
They are a lot easier to cut the mounts out when they are off the tractor.

I worked on that trunion thing for a long time, but there is a lot more there than what meet the eye. There is an oiling issue from inside the transmission that would be hard to overcome, and I never did find out if the inputs shafts would interchange to make it work. I kinda gave up on that one for now. I dont think it is impossible, but it is probably more trouble than it is worth.

I would stick with the 1850 diesel frame and stay with the chain coupler. Unless you want to be the first to try the trunion conversion..... take notes if you do...

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VADAVE

12-18-2004 18:42:38




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 Re: Hey ShepVA in reply to Shep Va, 12-18-2004 18:09:02  
Thanks Larry and Shep. Figured the trunion mount would have to work for a white frame to work. I'll stick with a 1850 frame. With the 2255 around the 1855 doesn't need to be so strong.



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TP from Central PA

12-18-2004 18:30:29




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 Speaking of Chain Couplers in reply to Shep Va, 12-18-2004 18:09:02  
I have to wonder out loud..... ..."Wasn't there a better way to do that?"

What is the story behind them? Why did Oliver go that route? The one on mine is pretty noisey..... .....Any thoughts?



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VADAVE

12-18-2004 18:49:45




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 Re: Speaking of Chain Couplers in reply to TP from Central PA, 12-18-2004 18:30:29  
Cause it is simple, effective and will allow for a little misalignmnet. The problem is that, as Shep has found out, it won't handle the power above about 130 horse.
This type of coupler is used in many applications, for example look at the coupler on the hydraulic pump of a log splitter. It is the same concept.



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J. Schwiebert

12-19-2004 03:07:20




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 Re: Speaking of Chain Couplers in reply to VADAVE, 12-18-2004 18:49:45  
The old Massey tractors of World war two vintage used the chain coupler concept back then already.



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Larry from MD

12-18-2004 15:42:59




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 Re: Hey ShepVA in reply to VADAVE, 12-18-2004 11:18:35  
The water pump and fan sit higher on the 2-105 than on an 1850.Reattaching the oliver sheetmetal would be a chalenge too.



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