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Oliver 1355 147HP ?

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Chad (IA)

12-04-2004 19:16:12




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Oliver 1355 147HP ? This tractor is up for auction (with "Very Collectable") in the ad. I have never even heard of this tractor. What year were these made?




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Shep VA

12-06-2004 05:17:54




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? Heres a Pic in reply to Chad (IA), 12-04-2004 19:16:12  
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Chad,

Here is a picture of my G-1355 Yellow Moline to give you an idea what they look like. I have not seen many yellow ones, most are red or green, and this is the first one I have ever seen with a factory canopy that is bent (probably not bent from the factory). I would not say they are collectors yet, I still see lots of them for sale at very reasonable prices.

I like this tractor, it gets around real well for a big tractor, has good power but I would guess it is more like 125Hp and not 147Hp as my engine is a little sick. If you had the engine running at 100% it might get to 147HP but this engine has a lot of trouble getting air in and exhaust out. It needs a turbo bad... I am hoping to rebuild the 585 diesel here in another year or so and put a turbo on it and give it some more power.

These engines are very hard to start in the winter, but once you get them going they are very hard to pull down or stop. I pull that 15 foot field cultivator in the picture in direct third at about 7 inches deep in our heavy clay and it just keeps on pulling.

Good tractor, Good luck with yours.

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Myron KY

12-06-2004 14:01:28




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? Heres a Pic in reply to Shep VA, 12-06-2004 05:17:54  
I thought you had developed a custom canopy/spoiler. Give ya a little down force on the rear tars.

How many times have you hit your head on it????? ";^)

Myron KY



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Shep Va

12-06-2004 19:47:54




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? Heres a Pic in reply to Myron KY, 12-06-2004 14:01:28  
I did have an extra wing off of a simi, you know the big ones that sit up on top of a sleeper to shoot air over the trailer. I thought about putting that on the back of the canopy.... Now that would be ready for NASCAR. Corse with the over drive out of the tractor it dont move to fast down the road..... I might need a push around the track....

Driving that thing is kinda like driving your truck with the window viser down, you can see out from under it, but not by a lot.... Corse my head is pretty solid now from all the skillets I get, so banging on the canopy isnt a big deal. You do learn to look out for it after a time or two though :-)

You reken too many cajuns down in LA got on the canopy to escape the skeeters and bent it???? Was like that when it came east so who knows....

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WFE

12-06-2004 08:43:34




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? Heres a Pic in reply to Shep VA, 12-06-2004 05:17:54  
Shep, nice picture. You know there is ample room in there for a monster of a Cummins (grin). I've been looking at G1355s myself lately, admittedly in green. Have you heard of a high altitude kit for these 585 motors that included a turbo? Wondering if such a thing could be had and if that 5 main motor would handle 200-225 hp? Your thoughts?



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L Klingler

12-06-2004 17:38:04




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? Heres a Pic in reply to WFE, 12-06-2004 08:43:34  
WFE why do you keep saying this motor has 5 mains,It has 4 mains. We talked about this 4 or 5 months ago.



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WFE

12-06-2004 18:17:50




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? Heres a Pic in reply to L Klingler, 12-06-2004 17:38:04  
Oops, sorry. Don't remember that we discussed this. Guess you can tell I've never been inside one; all I know about these MM engines is what I've read or heard. But now that I actually sit down to think about engine anatomy, it would have to be 4 since the blocks are cast-in-pair. Guess if it's not a 7-main Waukesha, it's not my cup of tea.



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Shep VA

12-06-2004 13:25:06




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? Heres a Pic in reply to WFE, 12-06-2004 08:43:34  
Yeah I have thought of putting a Cummins in there, an 8.3L would look great in there, but I kinda like that 585ci Diesel and think I will try to rebuild it and put a charger on it if I can find one. Would like to push it up to 180 HP or so, nothing huge, just a little more grunt for pulling the 22 foot disc up hills. I think the 5 mains would handle the power, I have heard of these engines up over 200 HP and doing well. You will likely have to change your mains every 2000 hours or so, I imagine the wear will be pretty fast on them.

The over drive went out of the three speed before I bought it and it needs paint, so it is due a total rebuild and paint job here in the next year or so. Gonna paint "Ragin Cajun" on the side since it came from Louisiana :-)

I think there were some 2655 parts that would fit in the 585ci engine that would help build it up and make it last longer. I also have heard about putting the 2-150 valves in it, and also figure on putting the external oil pump and spin on filters on too. I need to do some research before I start my rebuild and see what all else I can do to make it better.

The engine in my G-1355 is all stock, internal oil pump, origional valves, inside the pan oil filter, the engine has never been opened as far as I can tell with almost 3000 hours on the clock and still runs good. I am losing compression on the #1 cylinder pretty bad and it misses on #1 until it gets warmed up and under load. It is drinking a quart of oil every 10 hours of good work, which isnt bad, and it doesnt have very much coming out of the blowby tube, but I suspect the rings are gone in #1. Someone has used starting fluid on the old girl pretty hard in the past and I feel the rings are now cracked.

I also installed a murphy switch gauge on the oil pressure system so that "if" my oil pump takes a dump it will kill the engine before it blows up (hopefully).

Super nice tractor though, would really like to have a G-950 or G-955 to go with it.

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J. Schwiebert

12-06-2004 18:33:23




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? Heres a Pic in reply to Shep VA, 12-06-2004 13:25:06  
Shep: Find me on the HPOCA page sometime and leave me a phone number we need to chat.



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J. Schwiebert

12-06-2004 12:57:50




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? Heres a Pic in reply to WFE, 12-06-2004 08:43:34  
WFE. There was an altitude compensator kit for the 585 in the A4T-1600. I might even have a set of instructions somewhere yet that told how to install it. We sold 2 A4T-1400 tractors which came from Moline with M & W turbo's on the 504 diesel.



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Shep VA

12-06-2004 13:29:23




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? Heres a Pic in reply to J. Schwiebert, 12-06-2004 12:57:50  
Where might one get an M&W turbo kit for the 585 engines??? I am not too worried about the actual charger, I figure I can find an air reasearch, or M&W charger for it, but the manifolds are going to be hard to come by for a turbo I am afraid.

I really dislike the intake manifold on this engine, it takes air in from #6 cylinder and runs all the way up to #1. Not sure how that would work with a turbo pushing on it.

Any Ideas???

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L Klingler

12-06-2004 18:43:02




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? Heres a Pic in reply to Shep VA, 12-06-2004 13:29:23  
Shep use the intake manifold, But weld a plate acrossed orignal hole where air cleaner would go fast to intake manifold.Then cut a new hole on the top side between 3rd& 4th cylinders, weld a ring on top the same size as what ever you are going to use to go between the turbo and intake manifold.I used a preheater manifold from an 1855 or 1955 oliver. Maybe I can get pictures, But wouldn't be for couple days. Hope this helps.

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Shep Va

12-06-2004 19:52:23




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? Heres a Pic in reply to L Klingler, 12-06-2004 18:43:02  
That is a good thought. I guess I could have the exhaust manifold welded with a turbo base off of another manifold, and mount the turbo to that and then it is just some plumbing to get the air all hooked up. Hmmmm, this is sounding more possible all the time. Just have to figure out what size charger I need to keep up with the air consumption of that huge engine. Thanks for the idea.



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J. Schwiebert

12-06-2004 16:33:36




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? Heres a Pic in reply to Shep VA, 12-06-2004 13:29:23  
I am not sure that was an M &W That might have been an Air Research. I have class 2 more weeks then I can take a look.



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Shep Va

12-06-2004 19:31:23




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? Heres a Pic in reply to J. Schwiebert, 12-06-2004 16:33:36  
Oh, no hurry, I probably wont rebuild the engine for a year or two :-) Least I hope not. I just thought if I started finding the parts along I would be ready when I start to tear her down.

Corse if I dont clean my shop out soon I would probably never find the parts that I buy for it.

Constant delimma.....

Thanks J. I will look you up on the HPOCA site sometime.



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J. Schwiebert

12-07-2004 01:36:12




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? Heres a Pic in reply to Shep Va, 12-06-2004 19:31:23  
Since you are Cummins minded, how about one off an L-10 or M-11? 585 is not that far from 10 Liters. I remember a story somewhere in the Columbus branch a guy did that and he was complaining that he could not get the fuel delivery out of that head in the stock Roosa pump that he needed to get the horse power he was trying to reach.



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880 Diesel Puller

12-06-2004 10:43:41




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? Heres a Pic in reply to WFE, 12-06-2004 08:43:34  
they will handle 225 for as long as you want them to. I had a neighbor that had 2 of them and ran them both at 225. Never had any problems with the engine, but he kept shucking 4th gear out of them. Sadly he traded both of them for that sickley color of other green.



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Larry from MD

12-06-2004 09:12:10




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? Heres a Pic in reply to WFE, 12-06-2004 08:43:34  
If you plan on running those engines make sure you have the new style valves in them or they will break and drop into the pistons.I had it happen three times.Valves for a 2-150 are supposed to stop this from happening.



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JoeMN

12-05-2004 19:34:16




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? in reply to Chad (IA), 12-04-2004 19:16:12  
The owners manual for our White 2270 lists the diesel at 143 PTO HP and the lp version 135 HP from the 504 engine. Manual includes Moline 1355 and White 2270. Just got our 2270 home last night. Too bad the ground is too frozen to try it out on that 6x16 moline plow.



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oliver fan

12-05-2004 12:21:49




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? in reply to Chad (IA), 12-04-2004 19:16:12  
The Oliver G 1355 (green) and MM G 1355 (yellow) and White 1870 (red) were built in Charles City, IA. in 1972 to 1974. They had a MM 585 engine in front of an Oliver 2255 rear end. They also built the G 955 Oliver (green) and MM G 955 (yellow) and White 1870 (red) in 1973 and 1974. They had a MM 504 engine in front of a Oliver 1955 rear end. Of the six tractors I have listed, the Oliver G 955 is the rarest, as I have only heard of 3 or 4.

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David

12-05-2004 16:11:10




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? in reply to oliver fan, 12-05-2004 12:21:49  
One other thing, the 1355 lp had the 504.



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David

12-05-2004 16:10:07




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? in reply to oliver fan, 12-05-2004 12:21:49  
One little correction. The 955 didn't have the 504, they had a 425 on the lp models and a 451 on the diesels.



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oliver fan

12-05-2004 12:29:36




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? in reply to oliver fan, 12-05-2004 12:21:49  
I made an error in my other posting.The G 1355 Oliver / MM was called the White 2270 in Canada.



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Amdrew

12-05-2004 11:00:23




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? in reply to Chad (IA), 12-04-2004 19:16:12  
that minny G1365 is the same as my uncles 2270 oliver



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mowr

12-04-2004 20:43:25




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? in reply to Chad (IA), 12-04-2004 19:16:12  
Oliver 1355 was imported from Fiat 1969-71. 4 cylinder engine, 190.4 cubic inches, 51 HP at the PTO.



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marty g.

12-07-2004 05:21:10




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? in reply to mowr, 12-04-2004 20:43:25  
Both tractor exist, G1355 is the bigger one.



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Mike (WA)

12-05-2004 09:11:40




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? in reply to mowr, 12-04-2004 20:43:25  
Might you be thinking of the Oliver 1365? Those specs sound about right for that one.



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ol George

12-05-2004 15:32:10




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? in reply to Mike (WA), 12-05-2004 09:11:40  
The 1355 could be had either way. I have seen a couple of fiat designed 13' and it was before the 1365. I think this was another one of the management problems at White that led to a terrible ending.



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Robbie1206

12-04-2004 20:48:23




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 Re: Oliver 1355 147HP ? in reply to mowr, 12-04-2004 20:43:25  
Its a G1355 Moline painted green. Sold as an Oliver. They do exist. 147 hp is right for a g1355. Same basic tractor as a 2255 with a 585 MM engine.



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