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Perkins 354 to 372

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reluctant mecha

10-29-2004 10:46:57




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The rebuild of my 354 is not going well. I have found lots of corrosion and pitting after pulling the first two sleeves on my block and I think it is beyond rebuild. So I called up a tractor yard and they are pushing a 372 engine at me for $2900 bucks. Engine has 2000 hours showing and is out of a Massey 550 combine. My manifolds are all good and I only got about 10 hours on the new fuel pump and injectors before the engine blew. The 372 looks almost the same as the 354 from the pictures I have been shown. Are these engines close enough to swap? I guess the biggest question I have is about the engine mounts. The yard can not tell me if the mounts are the same as they do not have an 1850 to compare it too. Its 3 hours from home so I don"t want to drive up for nothing. Anyone out there know the answer? And before you guys start, I know I could put in a Cummins but its more money than I can afford to spend.

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reluctant mechanic

11-01-2004 07:08:41




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 Re: Perkins 354 to 372 in reply to reluctant mechanic, 10-29-2004 10:46:57  
Thanks for all of the good information. I am waiting to hear back from the yard regarding what mount arrangement the 354 has. I will likely pass on the 372. I have another 354 block w/a rebuilt head and enough parts to rebuild the block but simply do not have the time this year. I need to throw an engine into my oldest 1850 (12,000+ hours) just for the winter while I continue work on restoring my 1850 w/7,500 hours. The 354 from the 550 seems like not too bad a deal at $1800 bucks and it is only an 8 hour round trip away from Central Alberta where I live. Of course now that I think about it, it would probably only take me about 8 hours to rebuild my other engine.

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K Bensinger

10-31-2004 18:43:54




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 Re: Perkins 354 to 372 in reply to reluctant mechanic, 10-29-2004 10:46:57  
I have a 372 in an 1850 they are the same basic engine as the 354. You just have to use your timing cover,waterpump and flywheel housing. I"ve bought good used 354"s for $1000 From R.F. Equipment in michigan. there number is 1 800 828-6943





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J. Schwiebert

10-30-2004 05:33:46




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 Re: Perkins 354 to 372 in reply to reluctant mechanic, 10-29-2004 10:46:57  
You might want to pull the other 4 sleeves and see what they look like. I had a case where the block was cracked and we bored it out for a repair sleeve, sized the repair sleeve properly and then put a new Perkins sleeve in it. Six sleeves installed that way will be less than what you are paying for that second engine



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cobroller

10-29-2004 19:53:14




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 Re: Perkins 354 to 372 in reply to reluctant mechanic, 10-29-2004 10:46:57  
550 MF combines all had the later 354 engines in them as far as I know (no side plates on block & bolts through the top of the valve cover). Some 750s used the 372.Over sized sleeve are available from Perkins for your engine.



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B. Jones

10-29-2004 19:52:48




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 Re: Perkins 354 to 372 in reply to reluctant mechanic, 10-29-2004 10:46:57  
A friend of mine took the engine out of his 550 combine. I thought it was a 354 engine. Did some of these have 354's in them? They were going to put it into a MF 1100 tractor but the crank shaft was different and now the motor is just sitting in a garage. I think it is a good motor and could be bought worth the money. If you have any interest, please post back. The motor is in North Central Missouri. He just quit using the old combine and now has an extra engine.

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perky

09-15-2005 16:11:35




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 Re: Perkins 354 to 372 in reply to B. Jones, 10-29-2004 19:52:48  
Does your friend still have the Perkins 354 engine? I have a MF 1135 with oil getting in the water and may need a new block/engine...



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karl1870

10-29-2004 19:06:10




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 Re: Perkins 354 to 372 in reply to reluctant mechanic, 10-29-2004 10:46:57  
We have an 1130 MF with rebuilt 354 DT that needs inj pump. You can have the whole tractor for $2900. 218 924 4044 Minnesota



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Gary H.

10-29-2004 17:57:25




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 Re: Perkins 354 to 372 in reply to reluctant mechanic, 10-29-2004 10:46:57  
I'd stay away from the 372 engine. It has sleeves in it-but NO counterbore at the top to keep them from dropping. That 354 is a dry sleeve engine-shouldn't be a problem resleeving it. Just my 2 cents worth.



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J. Schwiebert

10-29-2004 12:03:52




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 Re: Perkins 354 to 372 in reply to reluctant mechanic, 10-29-2004 10:46:57  
First of all the 354 in the 1850 is trunion mounted engine, Ask the guy if the 372 is a 3 point or a 4 point engine mounting system. The displacement change comes from the bore size. Externally they are the same basic size. Are you redoing an 1850? The next question, is the combine engine a dot one or what. if nothing else ask for a build number. All 372 engines are combine engines. Where is this pitting and corrision at? Find me one HPOCA site. I like to talk Perkins. For 2900 I would repair your old block or maybe if they have a dot four motor, then I would think about it.

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Edchainsaw

10-31-2004 19:56:16




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 Re: Perkins 354 to 372 in reply to J. Schwiebert, 10-29-2004 12:03:52  
As I practically grew up around the Massey Dealership in the mid 70's. I am almost possitive that the 550's were not shipped with any 372's but I bet someone could have put it in. BUT every 750MF sold with one (and I know this to be factd) used oil and made for sicker combines than the 750's with the 354's in them.

like John said though those were not Dot4's.. those were an update.



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Myron KY

10-29-2004 12:51:29




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 Re: Perkins 354 to 372 in reply to J. Schwiebert, 10-29-2004 12:03:52  
Reluctant Mechanic,

I can't add to Mr. Schwiebert's comments on the 372.

I did find 30 plus rebuildable 354 core engines for $600 each. Hopefully one of them would be a 3 point mount, no DOT engine. Place is in KY. 800-221-3502 (I'm not affiliated)

This is the web site I found them on. Diesel Engine Trader The site also shows several other 354 engines for sale, in many states. Might find something suitable closer.

Also there are other Diesel engine trading sites. Just do a search for diesel + engine + exchange.

HTH
Myron KY

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Larry from MD

10-29-2004 15:41:10




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 Re: Perkins 354 to 372 in reply to Myron KY, 10-29-2004 12:51:29  
Make suer you look at the water pump differances on the newer engines.The old 510 engines look to be a good fit.All you need is a spacer on the pump.The newer engines have a high water pump with 2 thermostats.They look to be a hard fit in an 1850 and an easy one in a 2-105.



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