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Olver 70 Engine questions

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novice

09-30-2004 04:52:52




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First of all I'm new to the "tractor scene" so I hope I don't sound to ignorant.

I'm helping a friend with an Oliver 70 (1937?) The engine was locked up because it sat outside in the weather for years with the spark plugs out of it (not sure why?). He brought me the engine in a box...kinda scary, but I'm a sucker for a challenge!

I measured the cyl. bores and ring end gaps and am worried. The bore is supposed to 3.1250, but I measured 3.1260 in one of the cyl's....all the way up to 3.1402 in the others.

He had the local parts store match up some rings (Perfect Circle, S4532 RS-6009) that seem to fit nicely, but the ring end gap ranges from 0.020 in the best cyl to 0.040 in the worst. This is way too much for what I'm used to, but he is not concerned because the tractor will hardly ever be used...just wants to show it, not use it. As It stated before, I'm used to car engines where I would think there should be no more than 0.025 for the ring end gap.

My question is will this be o.k. for what he wants? Will it smoke badly? If no o.k. where can I find sleeves/pistons, rings, etc?

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Novice

10-01-2004 04:42:24




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 Re: Olver 70 Engine questions in reply to novice, 09-30-2004 04:52:52  
The cylinders are definately oval. Won't post all of the measurements. I agree with RAB, these rings won't seat. Additionally, the excersizing of them as they expand and compress (due to the oval cyl.) will not help matters.

I am very interested in the Dodge piston idea that J. Schweibert posted. Has anyone done this before? Long shot, but anyone have a part number that I can check out? Or, does anyone have a certain Dodge (or any manufacturer that'll work) engine (displacement/era) that I can examine?

The first thoughts that come to mind are: Why Dodge (I'm not familiar with Dodge components)? Are they floating wrist pin? Wrist pin placement important, or is there plenty of "play" in these engines? Wrist pin size the same or do I need to use a different rod?

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J.Schwiebert

10-01-2004 09:28:32




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 Re: Olver 70 Engine questions in reply to Novice, 10-01-2004 04:42:24  
Because the Dodge pistons are 3.250 and you can bore the sleeves .125 They are also relatively inexpensive. More details send me a PM on Hartparroliver web site.



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J. Schwiebert

09-30-2004 10:34:33




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 Re: Olver 70 Engine questions in reply to novice, 09-30-2004 04:52:52  
Give this some though. I agree with RAB. I would clamp the sleeves in the block and bore it 3.250 and put a set of new alumionum, Dodge pistons in it. Farmers did that 60 years ago. That way your bore is round, straingh and you do not have the worn piston problem. Use a set of cast rings. They will seat easier.



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RAB

09-30-2004 09:32:39




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 Re: Olver 70 Engine questions in reply to novice, 09-30-2004 04:52:52  
It"s not as simple as that. If the rings are loose in the top piston ring groove there may be trouble, but they can be fixed.
Are the bores round or oval? If they were perfectly round you might get away with a little oil burning, depending on how much, and where, the wear is. If they are oval, the rings will not seat - ever.
How much are the pistons worn? The clearances are as important as any absolute measurement of the bore.
You give the ring gap but with nothing to compare - measure it at the bottom of the cylinder and in the ring wear area. 3 thou. is equivalent to 1 thou wear in the bore, but only if the bore is perfectly round.
What is the condition of the rest of the engine? If I were advising from a distance, I would say go for replacement parts and it might be good for another sixty years. With those old parts, you are taking a big chance. You may need only to replace some of the liners if you want to keep the cost down, but 15 thou. wear on a bore is asking too much. It may have had some liners replaced previously.
regards. RAB

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Brian Decatur co. Ia

09-30-2004 08:53:02




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 Re: Olver 70 Engine questions in reply to novice, 09-30-2004 04:52:52  
The good news is you're looking for 70 stuff. The 70 was much more popular than the 60. I have a 60 which not many parts can be had for any more. Call Maibach Tractor. They had everything to overhaul my 60 on the shelf. 800-808-9934



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