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Who's engine ?

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Richard E.

09-14-2004 16:34:25




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What engine was available in a 1650 Oliver ? I have found one for sale, it looks to be a wakashaw engine ? My next door neighbor has a 1850 Oliver and she's been a dandy. I think that engine is Olivers own ? The 1855 was noted to have the Wakashaw engine, they were ones to stay away from . Thanks in advance.




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Sam M

09-15-2004 08:46:22




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 Re: Who's engine ? in reply to Richard E., 09-14-2004 16:34:25  
The Oliver 1650 had either a 265 cubic inch gas engine ( 66 hp ) or a 283 diesel (66 hp) Waukesha engine . The 1850 diesel had a 354 Perkins diesel (92 hp) and the 1855 diesel (98 hp) had a 310 turbocharged Waukesha engine . Based on my examination of a friend's 1650 and my 1850 and 1855 , neither the 354 Perkins diesel or the 310 Waukesha diesel will fit into a 1650 frame without substantially reworking the frame and other components of the tractor .

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A.P.

09-15-2004 12:11:53




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 Re: Who's engine ? in reply to Sam M , 09-15-2004 08:46:22  
The 310 will fit in the frame in place of the 265 (gas) or 283 (diesel) engine orginally found in a 1650. The Perkins will not fit without either a lot of work or a frant frame from an 1850 diesel.

A.P.



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Sam M

09-15-2004 13:03:29




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 Re: Who's engine ? in reply to A.P., 09-15-2004 12:11:53  
I have never tried to fit the 310 into a 1650 frame but just looking at size and height of engine and oil pan , etc I cannot see the 310 from my 1855 fitting into the 1650 frame or the 1650 sheet metal working with the 310 engine . Not doubting you but I would be interested in what others think . I would like to see what Shep from Va says since he has put a Cummins into both an 1855 frame and a 1655 frame (which is similar in size to the 1650) .

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880 diesel puller

09-15-2004 15:06:37




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 Re: Who's engine ? in reply to Sam M , 09-15-2004 13:03:29  
I have a friend who has a 1655 with a 1955 engine in it. The turbo is alittle tight but it all fit with no modification. Makes for a pretty stout lightweight tractor. It was not built for pulling,it earns its keep on the farm, but also makes an occasional trip down the track.



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A.P.

09-15-2004 19:34:27




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 Re: Who's engine ? in reply to 880 diesel puller, 09-15-2004 15:06:37  
The 283 and 310 direct injection engines are physically the same size. So is the 283 indirect injection and the 265 gas engine. The 283 uses a 4" stroke crank, the 310 a 4 3/8" stroke crank otherwise they use he same block and head. The later turbo 310 models will have an engine oil cooler built into the side of the block.



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Sam M

09-16-2004 09:00:45




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 Re: Who's engine ? in reply to A.P., 09-15-2004 19:34:27  
I stand corrected



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A.P.

09-16-2004 09:47:54




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 Re: Who's engine ? in reply to Sam M , 09-16-2004 09:00:45  
No problem, it is just something to keep in mind if you have a tractor neding an engine transplant or other parts.



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stu

09-14-2004 17:25:00




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 Re: Who's engine ? in reply to Richard E., 09-14-2004 16:34:25  
You are correct. The 1650's had waukeshaw engines but didn't have the problems that the 310 had. In defense of the 310, if it has an oil cooler with the updates, it is reliable and easy on fuel.



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edchainsaw

09-14-2004 19:11:03




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 Re: Who's engine ? in reply to stu, 09-14-2004 17:25:00  
from what I have learned from listening to a lot of people that work on them.

the 310 in the 1855 had problems for a lot of reasons. heat was the big one.
Also the crank is surface hardened so if it is ground to deep on rebuilds you risk breaking it as well. and a local Oliver mechanic told us on our 1755 and 1955 but mains and rod berrings in every 1500hrs.. so that they stay snug on the crank.


but they are not really as bad as a lot of people tell you.

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