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Farmall 450 gas or Oliver 1800 diesel

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marks

07-02-1999 14:07:34

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I'm looking for a tractor (don't know much about them) and have the opportunity to purchase an Oliver 1800D for the same money as a Farmall 450 gas. The Oliver seems like an awful lot more tractor for the money ($3000). Both seems to run fine and I can get a 30 day 50/50 warranty from the dealer for either.

The tractor will need to be a reliable cold weather unit as a primary use will be snow removal of a very long driveway in a Minnesota winter.

My use will be hobby farm and Xmas tree farming so not a lot of heavy work. I'm interested in opinions of relative advantages of each.

Thanks.

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Dan

03-30-2004 19:35:43

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Re: Farmall 450 gas or Oliver 1800 diesel in reply to marks, 07-02-1999 14:07:34

My dad had both a Farmall 400 ( which is very similar to the 450) and we had and 1800 diesel series C with an adjustable wide front end. They were both very good tractors and I put many hours on both. The Oliver was our main farming tractor and was used primarily for pulling heavy farm implements and doing all the heavy work. It had lots of power and would stand up to a 4020 JD. The 400 was the tractor we used all year round. It was used a lot for haying, baling, in the winter we had the loader on it for feeding our livestock. It was an excellent chore tractor. They were both fun to drive because they were very easy to get around with, not clumsy to drive.

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Morgan Primm

01-17-2002 19:20:13

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Re: Farmall 450 gas or Oliver 1800 diesel in reply to marks, 07-02-1999 14:07:34

Personally i would go with a 450. For one parts are easier to get and cheaper because you can get them from a dealer. It is a much easier machine to work on at that too. my grandpa bought one back when they were new and we still have it. I'm going to repaint it and make some minor repairs, and thats all that it needs done to it. which is pretty good considering its fourty some odd years old. The oliver i'm sure might be a good tractor, but will be too big and on a cold winter morning do you really want to get out of bed an hour early to plug it in so you can get to work on time?

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Eric Menke

12-24-2001 19:40:56

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Re: Farmall 450 gas or Oliver 1800 diesel in reply to marks, 07-02-1999 14:07:34

I would go with the 450 it will be a great tractor for the work you are interested in. I own a 450 and am very pleased with mine.

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JOSH POPPE

11-18-2000 17:03:51

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Re: Farmall 450 gas or Oliver 1800 diesel in reply to marks, 07-02-1999 14:07:34

Yes i have a farmall 400 diesel depending on application is to determine which tractor you should buy. I tractor pull mine with Hopedale tractor pulling club. you see farmalls have tourqe amplifier which makes them real powerful.

Personally i am a farmall man although i have drove an olive 1555 too. so choice is really up to you! see ya lata Josh Poppe!

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Rollin Rountree

11-14-2000 20:10:20

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Re: Farmall 450 gas or Oliver 1800 diesel in reply to marks, 07-02-1999 14:07:34

If you are having a problem deciding on which tractor to buy, maybe this will give you some insite. The 450 Gas to me is worth more in the long run than the oliver. I am a Farmall Collector myself. The 1800 was a good tractor. Do you know what series this one is? Is it an A,B,or C. That makes some differnece. As for the prices of the two if the 450 is in decent shape, runs good, and is mechanically sound, and the sheetmetal is in good shape it is more than likely a good buy. It all really boils down to which tractor you like the best. For Collector purposes the 450. For farming puposes as well as collector the 1800. I hope this will help you.

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JOSHUA POPPE

06-12-2000 21:02:22

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Re: Farmall 450 gas or Oliver 1800 diesel in reply to marks, 07-02-1999 14:07:34

YES CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YEARS THAT INTERNATIONAL MADE THE FARMALL 450??

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Bob seND

07-05-1999 21:07:00

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Re: Farmall 450 gas or Oliver 1800 diesel in reply to marks, 07-02-1999 14:07:34

My vote would be for the 450 gas. I indeed like diesels better for day-long farm work, and the 1800 is certainly a good tractor, but for the start-stop, short duration winter work you describe the gas tractor would be my pick. It will start at -20 without a heater. You will also
find more Farmall mechanics around than Oliver mechanics and parts availability will be better.
Bob

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Warren

07-05-1999 09:03:27

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Re: Farmall 450 gas or Oliver 1800 diesel in reply to marks, 07-02-1999 14:07:34

I'm not familiar with the 450 tractor, but if it is a small utility tractor, then the 450 has the advantage of increased mobility, i.e., turning radius. A loader on the 1800 would make it very cumbersome - much more so than a utility model.
If you have a long driveway, it may be in your best interest to look into a 6' snow blower which the 1800 would certainly handle very well.

I live in Wisconsin and have a diesel tractor. I plug the radiator tank heater in for about an hour before I try to start the tractor and I never have a problem starting it. The diesel fuel is always blended in this area to account for seasonal temperature changes so an additive is not necessary. I much prefer diesel over gas!

You don't mention if the tractors are narrow or wide front. The wide front tractors will be much better in snow and will be far more stable (safer.)

I think that the previous posts have some great comments about checking some of the components before deciding. In addition to them, check the condition of the tires. Rear tires can be very expensive and one with good rubber may help to sway your decision.

In the end, it is a personal decision.

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mjd

04-05-2002 02:13:13

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Re: Re: Farmall 450 gas or Oliver 1800 diesel in reply to Warren, 07-05-1999 09:03:27

I dont agree on the diesel over gas.....especially in winter, if cold. We are in Wyo. and definitely here guys want the gas engines for feeding, winter chores, loader work !!

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Adam

07-03-1999 07:33:41

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Re: Farmall 450 gas or Oliver 1800 diesel in reply to marks, 07-02-1999 14:07:34

Personally I'd go diesel power no madder what brand the tractor is they just plane run better with lots fewer problems but you do have to plug them in in winter and mix fule. I don't know much about a 450 but heres a few things to look for on a 1800 make sure the hydrolics are full, there is a seal at the bottom of the hyd unit where the draft controll rod comes through if it leaks bad the hyd oil will end up in the rear end the seal is not exspensive but it is a bit of work to replace. Check the hydrolics out buy running the engine wide open and pulling one of the remote leavers you should hear the releaf valv chattering if not the pump could be worn or the releaf valv is out of adjustment. Check the rear end for water just take the drain plug loose tell oil or water drips if there is water in it, it will come first. Check the engine oil if it is way over full it can indicate diesel getting past the injection pump or coolent getting in do the drain plug thing again if you suspect coolent it will be the first thing to come out if there is a problem. just a few things to check

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BUD

07-02-1999 15:07:48

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Re: Farmall 450 gas or Oliver 1800 diesel in reply to marks, 07-02-1999 14:07:34

I know I shouldn't be saying this on the Oliver board, but I would go with the 450G. For what you are going to use it for, a less powerful, simpler, more reliable tractor is what you need. I have a 450G (I also have a Oliver) and the 450G has never lacked power for plowing snow, pulling a three bottom plow or disk, or pulling logs out of the woods. If you don't know much about tractors like you said, a gas engine is obviously much easier to work on than a diesel. It also will start in the coldest weather where a diesel can give you a few different problems in the cold. My 450 started for me every time I have tried it in the winter, and Wisconsin winters are similar to Minnesota winters. Look at the 450's three point hitch closely if you intend to pull a rear blade. I had a weak homemade one on mine when I bought it and had to replace it. Also, test the brakes, clutch travel, power steering, play in steering, and all gears on both before you decide. If the 450 has a TA, be sure it is working. They are very handy when you need that extra power, but not all of them work that great. I don't know what an 1800D goes for, but $3000 sounds fair for a 450 in good shape with a good three point hitch. I can't tell you what is the better make of tractor between Olivers and Farmalls. I have one of each and I have been lucky with both of them. good luck to you !

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