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1650 getting a bit warm

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jeremy

08-04-2004 09:13:38




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Been using my 1650 with a 16" four bottom getting ready for wheat. This is the first time I have used this plow in this tractor that I have been told should handle it. Make a couple passes and let it cool down. I checked fluids belt tension, cleaned the screen, made sure the radiator was clear and the pump is only a couple years old. Is this common on a 1650 when the out side temp is up? The temp out side has been around 100degrees and been waiting until evening to plow. Just wondering this is the first time I have seen this old girl get worked into a sweat! Thanks.

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Don-Wi

08-07-2004 22:01:14




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 Re: 1650 getting a bit warm in reply to jeremy, 08-04-2004 09:13:38  
1650 and 4-16's? Our soil must really be hard because we could only pull 3-16's with our 1755, and that was all she could handle. We rented a 2-85 when that one had engine problems while plowing. the 2-85 pulled a little better but a 4-16 would still have been a little bit much. Our neighbor's have a 4-16 or 18 they pull with their 2-135. Anyways, back to your concerns, WATCH the OIL PRESSURE also. That's what killed our 1755. It got hot, oil psi dropped really quick and all hell broke loose. If anything, take the side panels off, it helps get a little more air around the engine. Also pressure wash the radiator if you havn't already.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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evielboweviel

08-05-2004 05:28:17




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 Re: 1650 getting a bit warm in reply to jeremy, 08-04-2004 09:13:38  
this is normal for the 1650 I own. My uncle bought it new and it always has run hot when pulling hard. Had to drop to underdrive many a time when it was in the 80's, to keep temp from getting to high. If you have a infared temp meter check temps at water pump, thermostat housing etc. this will give you an idea of what temp the gauge is indicating.
4-16's is common for a 1650 around central Ohio. However alot of the plowing was done when it was cool to cold out, not at 100 degf. So downshift or drop to underdrive when she gets above 230 and as always let her run for at least 5 minutes high idle after pulling hard.
Ron

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cory

08-05-2004 19:06:02




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 Re: 1650 getting a bit warm in reply to evielboweviel, 08-05-2004 05:28:17  
hi check yor thermastate its under your water pump and your block.boil it to see if it open should open just before boil.



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jeremy

08-04-2004 14:55:12




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 Seems OK? in reply to jeremy, 08-04-2004 09:13:38  
Did the check for cracked head gaskett and no bubbles or pressure when I put my hand over the top of the radiator. It runs fine pulling anything else. It might be time to get the radiator rodded out but the man I bought it from said it had been gone through about a year ago. Ground could use some moisture and it is packed I grazed wheat this winter and spring. I think I will wait until after some H20 and try again. Unless it could be somthing else I am stumpped. Thanks for the help.

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TheRealRon

08-04-2004 09:37:23




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 Re: 1650 getting a bit warm in reply to jeremy, 08-04-2004 09:13:38  
Exactly what is a bit warm? Is it puking coolant? Is the temp gauge pegged?

Depending on your soil and plow depth, any 1650 should be able to pull 4 bottoms. I do. Of course, this assumes the engine and cooling system are in perfect condition.

One thing to check... assuming it's a 1650G... next time it's hot and you shut it off, read the plugs. They may show lean in which case you need to adjust the load screw (the fat one) on the carburetor. The procedure is in the Operator's Manaul.

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jeremy

08-04-2004 10:04:11




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 Re: 1650 getting a bit warm in reply to TheRealRon, 08-04-2004 09:37:23  
Oops I forgot to menchion it is a Diesel and it is spitting some coolant. The guage is showing close to the H (red area) before I stop and ilde it back for awhile. I am not letting it get too close to the red area. I prefer numbered guages but this tractor is original (mostly) and I was trying to keep it that way. Hard to know what I got with this guage.



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RAB

08-05-2004 00:45:19




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 Re: 1650 getting a bit warm in reply to jeremy, 08-04-2004 10:04:11  
Is the coolant level too high? Would cause some initial coolant loss through expansion
What temperature is it running at?
The thermostat will have it's service temperature stamped on it. If it is only now going up to that point, there is no problem. Temperature guages are only an indiator, not a certificated measuring device. Right to be wary of the situation but you need to find out what the temperature readings really mean. Until then we do not know whether you have a problem or not.
Regards, RAB

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TheRealRon

08-04-2004 10:18:50




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 Re: 1650 getting a bit warm in reply to jeremy, 08-04-2004 10:04:11  
First let me say that you are very smart to not let the engine heat up past the normal range. Lots of tractors get killed that way.

With the engine dead cold, remove the radiator cap. Start it and from a safe viewpoint, watch the coolant in the radiator neck. Allow to run until the thermostat opens. If during that warm-up time it shows bubbles, you found the problem and the news isn't good. It means the engine was overheated and most likely tore the head gasket.

Post back and let us know what you find.

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jeremy

08-04-2004 10:25:45




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 Re: 1650 getting a bit warm in reply to TheRealRon, 08-04-2004 10:18:50  
I had thought of that and hoped that it was common for 1650's to get warm under heavy loads. No water in the oil yet ill check as suggested and get back to you Thanks.



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J. Schwiebert

08-06-2004 09:35:38




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 Re: 1650 getting a bit warm in reply to jeremy, 08-04-2004 10:25:45  
If the radiator cap is bad it can allow coolant to pass to the overflow tube and it will run a little on the warm side.



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