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Purchase a White 4-210??

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JAMES

07-11-2004 19:23:13




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Any thoughts on purchasing one of these? There is one going on auction in my area next weekend and I was thinking about buying it. Good idea or not?? What should a guy look for, what problems did they have, could you get more than 210 HP and hold them together?? The one going on auction is somewhat rough: 50% tires, broken manifold pipe, rough paint, hub duals, 3-point hitch, 2 remotes, 1000 pto, 3208 Cat, and no front or rear fenders. What about the over-under in these? I have been around olivers and whites all my life but never a 4x4. We are looking for some Economical yet realiable HP to do some deep tillage with and currently our 2-135 is the biggest we got.
Thanks in advance!

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WFE

07-12-2004 21:14:48




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 Re: Purchase a White 4-210?? in reply to JAMES, 07-11-2004 19:23:13  
Not much to be concerned with. I have seen 4-210s with Over/Unders and am pretty sure they were standard that way; the 4-180s had a 2 speed gearbox that was manually shifted by clutching. Over/Unders in general are worry-free. The 3208s, in talking with a few Cat mechanics, are a newer style in the 4-175/210 and 225, but rod bearings are still a point of attention. If they get loose, the rods can fail. I'm not sure about potential above 250hp; I'm still doing a little research on it, but the powertrain should certainly take more with the 2-135/155 rear end. The Over/Under clutch pressures might need checked and/or boosted to hold at higher power levels. Overall, however, the 4-210/175 series were good tough tractors.

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James

07-13-2004 19:42:01




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 Re: Re: Purchase a White 4-210?? in reply to WFE, 07-12-2004 21:14:48  
You make comment of the 135/155 rear end. Are you stating that the 4-210 has a 135/155 rear end?? To me it almost does look the same but I was kind of supprised. Am I heading in the right direction with this or should I consider a 2-180 with fwd for a 200 HP tractor to rip ground up in the fall with? Thoughts on price to pay for the 4-210?? I could e-mail you pictures.



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WFE

07-13-2004 19:59:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Purchase a White 4-210?? in reply to James, 07-13-2004 19:42:01  
No, I think you're likely to get the most for your money in a 4-210. The first White 4wd series, the 4-150 and 4-180, used what were essentially 2-105 rear ends back to back. Fine from a design standpoint, however, when these machines were dualled up, heavily ballasted, and not allowed the desirable amount of wheel slip, the rear ends proved to be the weak link, especially when the 3208s were juiced up. These Whites were intended to favorably compete with high hp 2wd tractors, offering 4wd traction with row crop verstatility. They were not intended to be Steigers or Versatiles for heavy draft loads day in, day out, even though they were often used as such. White realized this, and in the subsequent series, the 4-175 and 4-210, the much heavier 2-135/155 series rear ends replaced the 2-105 rear ends and completely resolved the problem, making for a very tough 4wd that could handle applications beyond what White originally intended their 4wd line to tackle. Average 4-210 value, I would estimate, to be worth $15-$20,000, with an exceptional unit in the range of just under $30k.

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James

07-14-2004 05:09:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Purchase a White 4-210?? in reply to WFE, 07-13-2004 19:59:24  
Thanks, great info... Did the 2-180 have a 135/155 rear end then too... If so what is the weakest link in a 2-135 if you turn up the fuel pump above 160 HP? I am going to stop by tonight and look over this 4-210 over a little closer before saturday's auction. Any recommendations of key things to look over and pay close attention to?



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Larry NE IL

07-12-2004 13:27:53




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 Re: Purchase a White 4-210?? in reply to JAMES, 07-11-2004 19:23:13  
I bought a 4-180 last fall, and like it alot.
Rebuilt the center linkage for about $4000.00 complete. Pulls great. I pull a Glenco 11X soil saver in 4th/low and an IH 490 25' disc, (first time over) in 3rd high.
I'm in the excavating business so I've been around Cat 3208's for a long time. Good simple engine (except for the first ones).
If an overhaul is necessary, I've found it cheaper to get a Cat reman. If I remember right a short block is around $8000.00 and complete is around $14000.00. Plus you get a 1 year warrenty.
In my inquirys, I've never heard of a drive train failure. No on the go shifting. To shift from direct to high range the tractor needs to be stopped. Still gives you 12 forward and 4 reverse.
Fiberglass dosen't hold up too well as most I've seen are pretty ratty looking. Still, good power for the $...You can always work the ground next to the road or your neighbors place after dark!!! Good Luck, Larry

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James

07-13-2004 19:34:29




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 Re: Re: Purchase a White 4-210?? in reply to Larry NE IL, 07-12-2004 13:27:53  
Why does the tractor need to be stopped to go to over or high range? Our Olivers and 2-135 White we use under, direct and over on the go under load. Also, I do not mean to be noisy but what kind of $$$ should a guy be lookin' at on a 4-210 compared to your 4-180 purchase.



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Larry NE IL

07-13-2004 20:29:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Purchase a White 4-210?? in reply to James, 07-13-2004 19:34:29  
A half way decent 4-180 is usually under $10K.
They are older than the 210's and just don't bring as much $ as the newer 4 whl series. I bought mine for $3K at auction (like I said, it was pretty ratty looking) and put just under $5500.00 in it. That included rebuilding the articulating section, new exhaust system, cab interior plus odds and ends.



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bastar

07-12-2004 09:22:10




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 Re: Purchase a White 4-210?? in reply to JAMES, 07-11-2004 19:23:13  
4-210 tractors were not built with the Over/Under hydraul aux transmission. They have a two speed gearbox between engine and transmission.



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James

07-13-2004 19:45:37




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 Re: Re: Purchase a White 4-210?? in reply to bastar, 07-12-2004 09:22:10  
I looked in the cab and there is a 3-speed under, direct, over shift lever on the console on the right side of the tractor just like the series 3 2-135 / 2-155's. Also, on the console is the shift lever and throttle control just like the series 3 as well.



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Adam

07-11-2004 21:20:05




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 Re: Purchase a White 4-210?? in reply to JAMES, 07-11-2004 19:23:13  
What understand from people that own them the week spots are the 3 speed underdrive sprag and engine berrings also heard of the flywheel bolts comming loose. Never hear of final drive or main transmission trouble. Hydrolics are very similar to a 2-135 just with cables runing from the cab to the spools. My experience with 3208's is they like there oil and that is some what normal for them.



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