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Im up a creek with out a paddle

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sdrewes

06-01-2004 21:43:49




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i was putting a seat on my 70 rc and one of the bolts broke off in the hole and its flush with the hole so does anyone have any idea how ot get it out can i just redrill it and tap it again or take off the rear end top cover and try to cut a notch in it for like a falt head skrew driver




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sdrewes

06-02-2004 20:16:59




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 Re: Im up a creek with out a paddle in reply to sdrewes, 06-01-2004 21:43:49  
well i love all of your thoughts about the welder thing but i dont have a welder and i dont think anyway to get one sorry



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Mark Krzyzanowski

06-02-2004 20:34:48




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 Re: Re: Im up a creek with out a paddle in reply to sdrewes, 06-02-2004 20:16:59  
No welder. Pickup an "Easy Out" for a few bucks at any Sears Craftsman tool counter, and most auto parts stores. Just pre-drill a hole about the size of the square "easy out" shaft straight into the bolt, then lightly tap the "easy out" down into the drilled hole, then back out with a cresent wrench. It's easy. Let some WD 40 sink in first to make it easier. And by the way, WD 40 has more uses than just penetrating oil, believe it or not, it makes good starting fluid. Not as flamable as ether (starting fluid), but not far off, at least with gasoline engines - done it countless times. If that still doesn't work, can pickup a propane torch just about anywhere, heat the surrounding area (NOT THE BOLT ITSELF), then back out with the "easy out" bit - done it many times.

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Mike (WA)

06-03-2004 08:39:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Im up a creek with out a paddle in reply to Mark Krzyzanowski, 06-02-2004 20:34:48  
I haven't had great luck with WD-40 for loosening rusted bolts- PB Blaster (I get mine at NAPA) or Kroil (buy direct from mfgr- they've got a website- but I don't have it handy) seems to work much better. IMHO.



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Mark

06-03-2004 20:49:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Im up a creek with out a paddle in reply to Mike (WA), 06-03-2004 08:39:20  
Mike, I've heard of PB Blaster, and for some reason Kroil sounds familiar. You're right, WD-40 takes time (up to days sometimes) with rusted bolts, but I've never tried the other two, but will. Thanks for the tip. And an old farmer showed me the starting fluid trick with his old truck (gasoline) that had set for a couple of years - it really fired right up, and I've doubled it's use for that purpose ever since. Never tried on a diesel though, curious if it's as volatile without a spark as ether is.

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Mike (WA)

06-04-2004 08:25:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Im up a creek with out a padd in reply to Mark, 06-03-2004 20:49:07  
I've never tried WD-40 as an ether substitute, but it makes sense. However, someone in a thread somewhere said WD-40 used to work well for starting because they used propane as a propellant- but not any more, as they changed propellants.



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Mark Krzyzanowski

06-02-2004 20:10:56




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 Re: Im up a creek with out a paddle in reply to sdrewes, 06-01-2004 21:43:49  
"Easy Outs" generally work very nicely, sometimes the bolts are pretty tight due to rust or whatever causing the breakage in the first place. Might want to let some WD-40 sink in around the bolt. Last thing want to do is drill into the bolt, then break off a hardened "Easy Out" in the same hole. I've also "lightly" heated surrounding areas with a torch to get it to expand off of the bolt (loosening it up), but you have to be careful not to heat the bolt, or it will just expand as well and not loosen up. Good luck, but it's not too difficult of a procedure.

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Larry NE IL

06-02-2004 19:08:16




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 Re: Im up a creek with out a paddle in reply to sdrewes, 06-01-2004 21:43:49  
Shep's got the answer! To Make it a little easier, especislly if your trying to remove a smaller bolt, is to 1st weld a larger flat washer on the bolt. It's easier to weld the center of the washer, then weld a larger nut on the washer. Good luck, Larry



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oliver is it

06-02-2004 18:24:12




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 Re: Im up a creek with out a paddle in reply to sdrewes, 06-01-2004 21:43:49  
hey shep i read a lot of your tips on here you and i think a lot a like. i would weld nut on top and let cool



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Shep Va

06-03-2004 05:28:41




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 Re: Re: Im up a creek with out a paddle in reply to oliver is it, 06-02-2004 18:24:12  
Great minds think alike :-)



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Tip

06-02-2004 07:46:54




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 Re: Im up a creek with out a paddle in reply to sdrewes, 06-01-2004 21:43:49  
Try an "EasyOut". You can purchase them at Sears and other places.... Drill a small hole and then they EasyOut has reverse threads that jam and then back the broken bolt out. Work pretty well.....

Good luck, Tip



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JD in da UP

06-04-2004 05:56:24




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 Re: Re: Im up a creek with out a paddle in reply to Tip, 06-02-2004 07:46:54  
The left handed drill bit is the new easy out of our day. I just wouldn't want to break one off in the hole.



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Bob

06-02-2004 15:23:57




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 Re: Re: Im up a creek with out a paddle in reply to Tip, 06-02-2004 07:46:54  
Easy-Outs are a misnomer.



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Tip

06-03-2004 10:00:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Im up a creek with out a paddle in reply to Bob, 06-02-2004 15:23:57  
To each his own - I have used them successfully many times. A little PB Blaster, the right size drill (VERY IMPORTANT) and a little patience.

Tip



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Shep Va

06-03-2004 05:31:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Im up a creek with out a paddle in reply to Bob, 06-02-2004 15:23:57  
AMEN!!!!! There is nothing "easy" about them and normally the only thing that comes "out" is half of the tool. I have never had any luck with easy outs, they normally make a bad problem worse. Corse maybe I am to impatiant to use them.....

I got the bolt extracting rods for the welder and threw all my broken easy outs away.....

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Shep Va

06-02-2004 05:05:03




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 Re: Im up a creek with out a paddle in reply to sdrewes, 06-01-2004 21:43:49  
If you have a welder I have had good luck welding bolts out. I went down to the local welding shop and got a pound of bolt extracting rods, they are a special rod, for my rod welder. They are neat, you can weld in a hole streight up from the broken bolt and then weld a nut on the top of the hole. Let it all cool and then simply spin the nut out and the bolt comes with it. Sometimes you have to do it twice if you spin the nut off the weld, but it works pretty slick. I havent used an easy out in years now.....

good luck

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Dale H

06-02-2004 05:24:54




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 Re: Re: Im up a creek with out a paddle in reply to Shep Va, 06-02-2004 05:05:03  
I was taking top off trany,& broke seat bolt also.The seat clamp bolts only go into those top cast pieces.You can easily remove the cast piece to remove bolt,either drill or welding method described previously. Gool luck Dale



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