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DaveS

05-25-2004 13:44:41




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Hello Shep, There is a company here in Indiana that advertises in the "Fast Line" mag for Cummins conversions for several brands of tractors with new engins and all parts neccessary for complete change overs starting at $8500. How does this compair up to what your cost's have beeen by the time you buy used engins and round up the parts? Just wondering.

Thanks. Dave S.




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Shep Va

05-26-2004 05:46:52




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 Re: ShepVa in reply to DaveS, 05-25-2004 13:44:41  
Yeah, I have seen that company on the fastline too. I would pay close attention to the phrase "starting at $8,500" I wonder how many are more than that. If they are using new engines like they say the engine alone will be $6,000 or more, and by the time you add the two bell housings, the high dollar flywheel you need and the White clutch I can easily see $8,500 in that kit. Plus I imagine that you will still need a tub frame or have to cut yours up.

The local shop that does some conversions for people charges $10,000 to do a Cummins conversion the last time I checked, and that is with all the labor.

I did my 1655 last year with a used engine that ran about $4,000 with no turbo, I had some of the parts, and made some of my own and all told I have about $6,000 in the engine and conversion not counting the tractor purchase or the canopy and front wheel fenders.

On the 1855 I got into some hydraulic problems and I think I ended up with over $9,000 in that conversion, but I had a higher dollar engine, I had over $1,000 in the hydraulic system and I had to buy a tub frame. The bigger the tractor and the bigger the engine the more it normally costs.

I guess my thoughts are that the kit you can get from Huntley is probably a good kit for the first time conversion, or if you dont have the time or a shop to fab up some of your parts. You can probably save some money by researching and buying your own parts and putting the engine togeather yourself, but it will take more time. I would also be suprised if it is a complete kit, you will likely need to change your frame or modify your existing one, and there are always things you are going to have to change or modify, so it will probaby cost a little more than just the kit.

I have some prices and pictures on my site if you want to have a look.

Good luck and if you have any conversion questions let me know.

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Myron KY

05-26-2004 06:07:38




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 Re: Re: ShepVa in reply to Shep Va, 05-26-2004 05:46:52  
Just a little FYI on Hunley's pricing.

That $8500 is for the N/A 4 cyl Cummins. (Forgot the liter size.) Price goes up as you move into the turboed models and horse power increases. Same applies to the 5.9. Best I remember there are 3 or 4 HP levels available in both 4 and 6 cyl motors. The highest was close to $11,000. These prices are just for the complete kit. No labor or shipping.

The lady I talked to, at the Louisville show, only knew kit prices. I was curious as to what just the kit, minus the motor, would cost and what all was in the kit. I assume these kits use the Waukesha frame.

Myron KY

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Shep Va

05-26-2004 08:42:19




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 Re: Re: Re: ShepVa in reply to Myron KY, 05-26-2004 06:07:38  
That is what I was wondering, what engine and what set up you would get for the $8,500. I think you could do the conversion a lot cheaper yourself and find the parts. For sure you can do a 3.9L 4bt engine a lot cheaper than the $8,500. I see the little 4 cylinder engines sell for $2,500 to $3,500 for good used ones or rebuilt ones all the time, and most of them have a turbo. Thinking I might try a 4bt turbo on my narrow front 1655 if and when the 283 ever conks out, just to do something different.

I am like you Myron I would want to know what all is in that kit and what more you are going to have to buy to put it togheater. I just cant see that kit is going to be everything you need to do this job, I have done too many of them and none of them are the same.

I think I can hear a cummins engine heading Wrenchbender's way..... .....

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Wrenchbender

05-26-2004 06:14:33




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 Re: Re: Re: ShepVa in reply to Myron KY, 05-26-2004 06:07:38  
The Hunley's seem to be very nice people, I think they would be good to deal with. I believe Everett is who you need to talk to. There are a couple Allises around here that have their conversions. They were an Allis dealer and really got started with the Allis conversions and have went from there. WB.



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Dean Barker

05-26-2004 21:38:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: ShepVa in reply to Wrenchbender, 05-26-2004 06:14:33  
I know Everett Hunley personally and have worked with him for several years. You can count on what he says 100%.



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Myron KY

05-26-2004 07:17:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: ShepVa in reply to Wrenchbender, 05-26-2004 06:14:33  
Yeah, I'd like to stop by there one day and chat with them about their kits. Just for my own curiosity.

Say, maybe you could do an article on The Knocking 1955 Repower, utilizing a Hunley kit. How's that sound to ya? ";^)

Myron KY



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Wrenchbender

05-26-2004 21:46:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ShepVa in reply to Myron KY, 05-26-2004 07:17:24  
Shep & Myron, Just keeping all options open! I've been talking to a fellow in West KY about Cummins 5.9s. He seems to have quite a few and access to the needed flywheel housings and exhaust manifold and ect.

I went ahead and had the crank turned, just havn't had time to pick it up. I'm going to give the 310 a go. And yes it was "Pecking", WB.



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Mike (WA)

05-26-2004 08:29:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ShepVa in reply to Myron KY, 05-26-2004 07:17:24  
I thought it was "pecking". . .



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