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Lew from IA

03-30-2004 12:17:08




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Hey guys,
I am looking at a 2-180 White, 1978 model, with 3855 hours and a CAT motor. I know that these engines were in the big Olivers and I was wondering how they stand up. The tractor will be used for hauling grain, pulling a 5 shank in-line ripper, and a 14 knife NH3 applicator. Thanks for any input.




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Larry NE IL

03-30-2004 19:37:24




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 Re: CAT Engines in reply to Lew from IA, 03-30-2004 12:17:08  
3208 is a very good engine. When Cat introduced them they put them in their 613 elevator scrapers. Guys were a little afraid of them because they weren't sleeved engines. Thought you'd run them 'til they got tired and "throw them away". Not the case! Many remans are bored and sleeved now. I've had a few 613's with 3208's and own a White 4-180 that is getting real tired. You can get a long block reman from Cat dealers for around $4500.00. That usually is cheaper than having the engine overhauled, and the way I always go. Plus the warranty that goes with it. As for the rods, most have been changed long ago. The first 613 We had was about a 1975. Bought it with about 2500 hrs and sold it 3 yrs later with a little over 8000 hrs. At that time I didn't even know about the rod problem, so we never changed them. Good luck, Larry

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WFE

03-30-2004 15:31:18




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 Re: CAT Engines in reply to Lew from IA, 03-30-2004 12:17:08  
As Brad mentioned, it may be time for a new set of rod bearings in this engine. The early 3208s used in the 2-180s and White 4 wheelers were supposed to have rod bearings replaced every 3000 hours; that was just the published service interval for these engines. Most didn't get them and that's when problems crept in at higher hour levels. The later 3208s in these Whites had an updated version of bearings and didn't require them to be changed every 3000 hours. But in this case, it might be worth at least a look at the bottom end once you get it. The 3208s can be surprisingly good for power for a V8 and are generally very durable.

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opp

03-30-2004 19:15:58




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 Re: Re: CAT Engines in reply to WFE, 03-30-2004 15:31:18  
We bought a 4-150 with a 3208 engine in it. Should I drop the oil pan and change the bearings? I know this one has more than 3000 hours on it. If I put new rod bearings in it, will I have to do it again in 3000 hours? A lot of people refer to these engines as "throw away engines", why is that?



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Tim

03-31-2004 12:58:11




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 Re: Re: Re: CAT Engines in reply to opp, 03-30-2004 19:15:58  
Do you all recomend changing the rod bolts and nuts on these engine,like you would do the infamous 310 waukeshas? If so how do you do it with the rod and piston in the engine.



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WFE

03-31-2004 06:47:58




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 Re: Re: Re: CAT Engines in reply to opp, 03-30-2004 19:15:58  
It would make a good winter project, but I wouldn't tear into it if you need the tractor for spring tillage/planting work. If you don't have any service records for the tractor, it would be the safe course of action to replace them when you have the time. Not too bad a job. The "throw away engine" stigma came about as a result of, as Larry mentions above, the 3208 being a parent bore block, or not having replaceable liners/sleeves. Many ag engines today are parent bore, but at the time it was different. That, coupled with the 3000 hour bearing interval, caused some people to think that these were short-lived engines, which isn't really the case. Some who ignored the rod bearing interval did pay for it later with failures, which White (and Cat) eventually took care of with the newer 3208s that had "lifetime" rod bearings, meaning the bearings should not have to be replaced before you have to get into the motor for other things (rings, etc.). But those who followed Cat's recommendations had few problems in general.

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Brad

03-30-2004 15:09:08




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 Re: CAT Engines in reply to Lew from IA, 03-30-2004 12:17:08  
Personally, i'm not a fan of any V8 diesel, but the 3208 is not too bad. They usually need bearings around 3000 hours. If I needed something like that, I would look for a 2-135 or 2-155. a simple fuel adjustment and they will run right with the 2-180 and generally have a more reliable engine.



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Ford Man

03-30-2004 14:34:21




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 Re: CAT Engines in reply to Lew from IA, 03-30-2004 12:17:08  
I had a friend who had an Oliver with that engine. I spent a lot of time with that old tractor. The only problems that I can remember is that it took some time to get started, but nothing to think about. A few times it did get a little hot on us, but that was just because we were working it hard all day. Then again this engine had a lot of hours on it, and it was pretty old. If the tractor is in good shape, price seems alright, and you need it, I would get it. Good Luck.

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