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Mike in La.

03-25-2004 04:50:19




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Can anyone on the board help with questions I have on an Oliver 1650 Diesel I'm considering trading for? I know NOTHING about Olivers. Is the hydraulic system adequate to operate a front end loader? What diesel engines were available in these tractors? (believed to be a 1967 model) Does it have live hydraulics? Were the transmissions shuttle shift? Are these tractors reliable and worth investing in restoration?
Thanks in advance for your help.

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David M

03-27-2004 08:10:35




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 Re: Need 1650 info in reply to Mike in La., 03-25-2004 04:50:19  
I'm in the process of restoring my Cockshutt 1650 (same tractor, different color). It seems to be a well engineered machine on the inside, easy to work on. The 1650's came with different front ends. There is the light duty adjustable axle and the heavy duty Wheatland axle. The wheatland is a 2"x6" solid curved steel bar. It makes for a much better axle for a loader tractor. Many came with the dual speed PTO housing, but are missing the 1000rpm output gear and shaft. I machined a replacement because no local wreckers had ever seen one with the 1000 PTO. Anybody interested can contact me.
My 1650 had no 3-pt hitch but I'm adding one myself. The lower link arm holes are in the transmission case, so the job is half done already. Good luck.

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North of Fargo

03-26-2004 17:37:00




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 Re: Need 1650 info in reply to Mike in La., 03-25-2004 04:50:19  
We have a 1650D from '67 which is direct injection so I would guess the switch from energy cells was in 66 or 67. Has the under drive only which we don't use much. Runs a loader just fine but does not have 3-point (external depth stop system). There are several hydraulic options: hydra-lectric, internal depth stop, or external depth stop. I'm not sure which is best or which come with 3 point but my guess would be that the electrical type may be more problematic. For loader use I find this to be an extremely well handling & good sized tractor. Also has some nifty features like telescopic/tilt steering and power steering blocking valve for choosing if you want road feel or not.

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Sam M

03-26-2004 07:01:45




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 Re: Need 1650 info in reply to Mike in La., 03-25-2004 04:50:19  
A friend of mine has a 1650 diesel with indirect injection and two speed hydradrive auxillary transmission ( total of 12 foward speeds) and it is a very good tractor . I think a 1967 model is too early to have direct injection and over under (three speed ) auxillary transmission which allowed three speed ranges without putting clutch in ( 18 total foward speeds) . YOu can tell if tractor is indirect injection by looking at injectors ( they will be at approx 90 degree angle to block - direct injection the injection are on top of the head ) and looking at right side of block ( there will be six what look like bolt heads in the block across from the injectors - the energy cells for the indirect injection are under the bolt heads ) . The tractor has the two speed hydradrive auxillary transmission if there is pull up knob on the lower right side of the dash down below the throttle . The tractor has the three speed hydraul over/under shifter if there is a second shorter handle behind the throttle . If the paint is still in good shape there was also a label below the fuel tank as to what type shifter the tractor had if it had one when new . The three speed hydraul over under shifter is much much better . I have Olivers with both and I rarely use the 2 speed (12 total foward speeds ) because the tractor free wheels going down hill in the lower range . Some of these tractors came from the factory with no auxillary transmission (only 6 foward speed) and when the units failed some farmers simply took them out and made the tractor direct drive rather than repair the unit . These tractors normally do not shuttle shift if you mean going from foward to reverse without putting the clutch in . I have never heard of an Olver 1650 having shuttle shift option ( foward to reverse without putting clutch in ) . The auxillary transmissions allowed changing speed of tractor in whatever direction it was going without putting in clutch .

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Big Jim

03-25-2004 07:12:52




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 Re: Need 1650 info in reply to Mike in La., 03-25-2004 04:50:19  
IMHO they were one of the best tractors ever made for their time. All 1650's come standard from the factory with independent PTO and live hydraulics. Almost all 1650's I have ever seen also have hydrostatic power steering and 3 pt. hitch. The hydraulic system is plenty adequate to operate a loader. Plus they are easy to convert to "power beyond" for an add on valve for the loader and you can still have dual rear remotes. If possible find one with the late model direct injection engine and over/under hydraul shift. Over/under gives you 18 speeds forward.

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