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Jerry B

03-22-2004 06:07:58




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I bought a 1900 C series Oliver Saturday. A Wheatland with no power steering, has 2 speed hydra power and poor tires. It has sat for about 5 years but someone did try to start it about a year ago so the engine isn't stuck (according to the owner).

The fuel lines are removed and the fuel pump/govenor assembley is just hanging on the block.

The oil level is almost up to the top of the dipstick. The owner told me that the guy working on it had pumped the thing full of diesel so it is probably a good thing that it never started. Supposedly there is a "square piece" in the fuel pump system that has been removed and not reinstalled and that is why it will not run.

The engine is a crate motor, meaning it was replaced with a new engine about 2000 hours ago. It is still gold so at least that part of the story is correct.The sheet metal is all there and in good condition. Very little rust which is pretty rare for Western Kentucky.

I gave $2500 for it. (or should I say my wife gave $2500 for it for my combined Christmas and birthday present). Do you think we got hurt? Is this going to be a nightmare to get running? I am kinda worried about the injectors and the fuel pump. I figure with the lines off, that is an open ivitation for rust and dirt to enter the injectors and ruin them.

I know I will have to spend a day replacing filters, fluids and cleaning/replacing lines to prevent problems. Anything I should be particularly watchful of as I begin the slow process of fix this engine to hear it run?

You know I am going to ask a ton of questions. And before anyone says it, "Yes I am going this afternoon to get a book on the subject". ;)

Thanks guys.

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Russ

03-24-2004 17:14:05




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 Re: I have joined the ranks of the Big Boys in reply to Jerry B, 03-22-2004 06:07:58  
1900c; YOU CAN NOT PUT A PRICE ON THE FUN YOU ARE GONNA HAVE REBUILDING THIS BEAST. ITS WORTH A ROUND FIGURE OF 5800 LESS THE COST OF PARTS YOU WILL CORRAL UP. SOME PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FUN PART "CERTAINLY THEIR LOSS"



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e

03-23-2004 10:23:45




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 Re: I have joined the ranks of the Big Boys in reply to Jerry B, 03-22-2004 06:07:58  
I'm working on a 1950 GM right now. I have looked to Ebay for numerous parts and won out big. I got 4 new N50 injectors for $70. I think the N70 is a little big for a non turbo engine. I'm not a detroit mechanic, but I believe anything above an n50 w/o a turbo makes more smoke than power. If the engine was truly a "crate" engine, it would have been detroit baby blue unless the remans were different colors. I would scratch the paint and see if there is blue underneith. It's sounding like it was a turbo'd take out that they took the turbo off of.

Also, if you are inside, check the cam for spallations.

If the inside is filled with fuel, you best bet is to take it all apart, clean it, and reassemble. It's not worth scoring the sleeves.

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Jerry B

03-24-2004 06:32:20




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 Re: Re: I have joined the ranks of the Big Boys in reply to e, 03-23-2004 10:23:45  
Thanks for the info.

The reason I was asking about N70's is because I saw some on ebay that were going cheap.

As far as the paint goes, it is definatley gold, It was pealing in several places but I didn't notice what color was underneath. Rust, I think. :)

As far as tearing it down, I was hoping to avoid that, but we must do what we must do.



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03-24-2004 12:57:40




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 Re: Re: Re: I have joined the ranks of the Big Boy in reply to Jerry B, 03-24-2004 06:32:20  
It's kinda a wash if you would be ok with starting it knowing the oil was highly diluted with fuel. I had a friend fill an engine with gasoline when a fuel solenoid stuck. We flushed it two times and still locked the motor up. Diesel fuel has greater lubricating qualities so you might be ok. A good plan would be to drain all that junk out, put fresh in, pull it around for a bit, and flush again.....an ounce of prevention is worth a set of bearings and pistions.

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Jeff

03-22-2004 15:57:18




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 Re: I have joined the ranks of the Big Boys in reply to Jerry B, 03-22-2004 06:07:58  
What part of Western Ky. are you in? I am in northwest Tn about 9 miles from the Ky border. I have a C series 1800 on propane. Sounds like you did pretty good and hopefully your a better deisel mechanic than I am .:)) Then again that doesn't take alot.. LOL!!!!!



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Jerry B

03-24-2004 06:34:20




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 Re: Re: I have joined the ranks of the Big Boys in reply to Jeff, 03-22-2004 15:57:18  
I am south of Owensboro. Contact me off site as maybe we can compare notes.
thanks,
Jerry Benham



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ShepFL

03-22-2004 07:14:14




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 Re: I have joined the ranks of the Big Boys in reply to Jerry B, 03-22-2004 06:07:58  
Congrats. Let us know how all works out. Gonna need a big trailer and truck to get it home. Price is real good I would think for a complete rig. Others more experienced than I can inform you about the specifics.

In the weeds. . .



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Jerry B

03-22-2004 07:35:32




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 Re: Re: I have joined the ranks of the Big Boys in reply to ShepFL, 03-22-2004 07:14:14  
Thank you.

Yeppers...in the weeds. That is where I found some of my best tractors. LOL

I was on ebay just now and they have got lots of parts, books, so forth on these engines.

Anybody know anything about the N70 injectors in case I need a hand full?



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North of Fargo

03-22-2004 16:23:00




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 Re: Re: Re: I have joined the ranks of the Big Boy in reply to Jerry B, 03-22-2004 07:35:32  
Hope this is not too late but don't buy the I&T 0-202 repair manual for this one. It covers the 1900 series except for this: engine is GM 4-53 4cyl. diesel. That's all you get for the engine. I'd be a little disappointed having to buy another manual for the motor. I assume the real Oliver repair manual covers the GM engine, maybe someone here can verify.



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Jerry B

03-23-2004 05:29:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: I have joined the ranks of the Big in reply to North of Fargo, 03-22-2004 16:23:00  
Yep, I bought the I&T manual for the 1750-1950 and it had very little on the Detroit deisel. My I&T manual number O-201 that covered the Super 99 GM had far more info about the GMC engine (although it was the 3-71) than the the one I just purchased.

I did luck up and win a service and repair manual for the 53 series engines on ebay.

We shall see.....



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