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Super 88 gas or diesel?

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Josh

03-16-2004 14:56:50




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I have an Oliver 77 and love it, but would like to get a little more power. I am thinking of a Super 88. My question is, the tractor will be used for work. Is gas or diesel better? Is the diesel more fuel efficient? Does it start hard when cold? Is the power similar? Thanks for the advice.
Josh




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Geoffrey in KS

03-17-2004 18:39:55




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 Re: Super 88 gas or diesel? in reply to Josh, 03-16-2004 14:56:50  
Most hard starting Oliver diesels I have been around were screw-ups at the machine shop. If the correct angle is not cut on the valve and seat they plain don't want to start. The proper valve job makes a world of difference. For the life of me, I can't remember the correct angle and I don't have my manual handy.



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J. Schwiebert

03-18-2004 05:24:18




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 Re: Re: Super 88 gas or diesel? in reply to Geoffrey in KS, 03-17-2004 18:39:55  
You are so right with the proper valve job makes a huge difference. If you just grind valves and seats and do not set the recession you just wasted your money. The proper valve job can pick up 50 psi of compression which many times is what you need to improve starting. Cranking speed is also important. That is why you pull them the proverbial 5 feet and they are running.



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Nate

03-17-2004 08:58:14




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 Re: Super 88 gas or diesel? in reply to Josh, 03-16-2004 14:56:50  
I have a Super 88 Diesel and it is a great tractor. Olivers are known for hard starting and I would agree, but I can live with it. If you are using the tractor for work, no doubt I would go with the Diesel. Gas engines are thirsty. The Oliver engines also have really strong governors. When I need the power, the tractor really opens up.



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jimg

03-16-2004 17:35:16




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 Re: Super 88 gas or diesel? in reply to Josh, 03-16-2004 14:56:50  

I have an 88 gas and a 880 diesel. I like the 88 gas better. It has the bigger pistons and is a good lively easy handling tractor. It actualy dyno's more power than the 880. The 880 has had the full treatment, new sleeves, pistons, both top and bottom's rebuilt, and is a very poor starter evan with the manifol heater, which I need up to 50 degrees. I'm told a Roosa Master pump set up would help a big bunch.

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J. Schwiebert.

03-17-2004 13:40:34




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 Re: Re: Super 88 gas or diesel? in reply to jimg, 03-16-2004 17:35:16  
You did not say what year you have but I always thought a 1957 or later Super 88 was a good tractor. Also installing a full set of valve seat inserts and setting the valves to the correct recession improves the starting a lot.



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Dean Barker

03-16-2004 20:41:03




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 Re: Re: Super 88 gas or diesel? in reply to jimg, 03-16-2004 17:35:16  
The Oliver Super 88 diesel is one of my favorite tractors. I worked for a guy that had one back in the late 50's. Can't remember any starting problems. Horsepower is listed in the Redbook at 55.8 gas and 54.9 diesel.



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Mike D.

03-16-2004 15:08:32




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 Re: Super 88 gas or diesel? in reply to Josh, 03-16-2004 14:56:50  
I don't know squat about those 88s. I like them, but no 1st.hand experience. Gas vs Diesel though- I do know. I'd go Diesel in a heartbeat.



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