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OLIVER HERITAGE

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VADAVE

02-18-2004 04:43:12




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Just got an e-mail from Sherry. She has the founding subscribers need so the magazine is out of the blocks.

Quote from the e-mail:
"As for content in the premier issue:
Feature Tractor will be the 660
Landis Zimmerman has agreed to write a regular column called "Cletrac Facts"
Larry Harsin will have a column called "Ask the Oliver Mechanic" Todd Stockwell from the Indiana State Museum will write a few stories for us about collecting from a museum's perspective
Much more to follow as time passes"

Time to subscribe!

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VADAVE

02-19-2004 17:20:08




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 Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to VADAVE, 02-18-2004 04:43:12  
There is a thread to these exchanges that bothers me. Oliver Heritage is not a club it is the start of a MAGAZINE. Therte is plenty of room for HPOCA as a club.
In fact I am watching the happenings there closely and will join that group given they survive the present dust up. The match that lite that fire may have been the termination of Sherry but the fuel is something else.

One of the few advantages of being old enough to be some of you whipper-snappers daddy is that you get to experience various organizations and their demises. It goes like this: Discontent builds; something triggers a spat; Management provides disinformation or none; members depart; dues get raised; another spat; more members depart; dues rise again; etc until there is nothing but an unsustainable few.

As I have said before the existing members have one maybe two shots at stopping the distuctive cycle.

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Scott Green

02-19-2004 16:40:13




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 Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to VADAVE, 02-18-2004 04:43:12  
I sent for my subscription. Also printed out another application for Jerry Vetter(no computor). He also , is going to subscribe to the new magazine. I know some of you know Jerry Vetter. So I thought I would mention his name also. He is a HPOCA member.



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Brad Waters from TN

02-18-2004 17:54:56




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 Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to VADAVE, 02-18-2004 04:43:12  
I just got mine in the mail today,can't wait to get it.



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Leo

02-18-2004 17:34:00




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 Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to VADAVE, 02-18-2004 04:43:12  
Yeap, it reminds me of Oliver Heritage alright. A group of folks came up with there own idea's about how things should be and they changed colors and tractors. If they would have stuck with the original, the beginning, devoted the energy and effort, demonstrated the loyalty the original Green deserved, our great Olivers would be much, much more. No, they started with a split then put all the eggs in the one wrong basket. Yeah, Whites are good tractors, but in the end, the Original, The Real Green, will be the survivor; It is the REAL DEAL then, and it will be the NOW! True Oliver Heritage! Good Luck.

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Jerry B

02-19-2004 05:34:35




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 Re: Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to Leo, 02-18-2004 17:34:00  
Leo,

Thanks for the word of encouragement.

When will your be sending your subscription in for the newsletter?



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Leo

02-19-2004 11:28:49




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 Re: Re: Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to Jerry B, 02-19-2004 05:34:35  
Not me. I'm sticking with the REAL Deal, The TRUE Oliver Group (HPOCA). Want no part of all this complaining and lack of loyalty stemming from this new arrangement. Too artificial. Not my kind of guys, and I'm sure I'm not theirs. But, I do wish you all the luck. By the way, before you beat me up, I'm sure the JDeere guys are saying.....look at those Oliver guys fighting one another...Seems just like the Oliver/White corporation. True Heritage Eh!
Long Live HPOCA!!!

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Jerry B

02-20-2004 05:41:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to Leo, 02-19-2004 11:28:49  
For some who wants no part of this "deal", you seem to be spending a lot of time talking about it and reading about it..

As far as the John Deere bunch is concerned, who cares what they think. Who ever said that they were the ones everybody should aspire to be like? Nowhere has it been written that John Deere is the Holy Grail.



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Jeff

02-19-2004 18:17:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to Leo, 02-19-2004 11:28:49  
Hahaha this is funny. Someone posts here that a new magazine is available for Oliver lovers from the editor of the old mag and it is already turned into a club war. I am pretty sure that alot of memebers of HPOCA will subscribe to this mag as well at their clubs without griping about any of it. HPOCA will live forever!!!! Good, hope it does as it brings alot of Oliver information and people together forthe collective good. If you don't like the way it is run that's ok too, no one is forcing anyone ot become or stay a memeber. Thing is no one is forming a club here, just starting up a new magazine.

Just to add this here and start a little flaming. I am not a member of HPOCA but will probably join the club if for no other reason than the comradery of the memebers. I followed all of the threads and griping about Sherry being fired on the HPOCA board and the one thing I have not seen from EITHER side is an explanation. I heard Terry say that some of it was the same things that would be in a personal file and not public. I heard that Sherry couldn't give the reason's because the club still owed her money and she needed to wait until she got that first. Well that was going on 3 months ago and I still haven't seen any definte reasons.

I did however read quite a few of her magazines and like the way they were done. I will eventually get a subscription to the Oliver Heritage mag as well and HPOCA's. That's just twice as much information for me !!!

Ok I got kinda winded there sorry, But really this is getting fun to watch. Ok I'll sit on the side and watch the flaming now :))

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Adam Whyte

02-19-2004 17:58:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to Leo, 02-19-2004 11:28:49  
I was always told Oliver was taken by White in a HOSTILE TAKEOVER, you know when a company buys up shares in stock while the company has no chioce but to submit themselves to the wishes of the major stockholder in this case White. I guess some feel thier magazine as they knew it was taken in a similar fashion. To each thier own. I dont think it is the want for another club, just to have the magazine back that we had before with an added bonus of subtracting politics.

As for John Deere guys, if you have ever farmed with Olivers you learn pretty quick not to care what a John Deere man thinks about tractors/machinery!ALTHOUGH, I've farmed with both, I have my preferences when it comes to older equiptment.I'll take my Oliver 70 out working before I get my John Deere B out of the barn. You do what you want, I really don't care, but don't scruntinize the personal actions of others that really will have no affect on you other than you won't get "the other" Oliver magazine.

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non member

02-19-2004 16:45:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to Leo, 02-19-2004 11:28:49  
Guess I have to agree with Leo. I'm a non member and just bought a Schaefer history book,or I guess that's the name of it because It sure gives a lot of their personal history including the true story of Ollie's restoration jobs which most of us refer to as a Dupont restoration since he says he don't do any mechanical work to them unless absoultly neccessary. Also was reading the Olive rtractor book put out By Sherry the other day and noticed the Super 55 must have been built by someone else since it's not in this book. Oh yes I did find a picture of a 550 off from a piece of literature since they couldn't find a real one.I think I'll join the real club since it looks like they are the ones who know what is going on.

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Frank Dodson

02-19-2004 19:59:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to non member, 02-19-2004 16:45:37  
I am sure glad that Mr. non-member will be joining the real club which I assume is HPOCA. He probably hasn't heard that the Oliver Heritage magazine is an Oliver magazine and has nothing to do with a club. But back to the statement the "real club", as I looked through the Jan.-Feb. issue of the real club's magazine there were 29 pages of material other than advertisements etc. The following is a breakdown of the 29 pages:
page 5 Presidents exlpanation why he was weasling out of telling the facts.
page 9 Over 1/2 page of a photo copy of a cultivator
page 10 whole page dedicated to two photo copies of same cultivator
page 15-18 breakdown of No. 3 expenses of which I am still wondering why it took 3 pages and its relevance to the magazine
page 20-27 article about the 2050/2150 of which approx. six pages consisted of photo copies of advertising literature.Gee where are the real tractors?
I am a member of the "real club" (5251) but if this club doesn't hurry and get REAL I won't be a member much longer.

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Ed Brandt

02-19-2004 16:56:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to non member, 02-19-2004 16:45:37  
Hey John Doe....join the rest of your made up or no name buddies....you really sound like you are observant....you'll fit right in....maybe you can run for office!!!



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Bob

02-19-2004 16:59:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to Ed Brandt, 02-19-2004 16:56:31  
Heck Ed, im bettin he is already well entrenched in there now!!!



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Bob

02-19-2004 15:09:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to Leo, 02-19-2004 11:28:49  
The HPOCA will live long my freind, make no mistake about that. Just not under the present clique's rule!!!!!



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Eric The Red

02-19-2004 13:35:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to Leo, 02-19-2004 11:28:49  
Well oliver would not have disappeared had not the President aka the Mailman brothers broke up the company. Kind of like Mr. Allen has done with HPOCA.



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Frank Dodson

02-18-2004 16:17:19




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 Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to VADAVE, 02-18-2004 04:43:12  
This is going to be a great magazine and I can haedly wait for the first edition. We need to support the magazine by telling friends, copying the application found on the web and mailing to individuals that you think may be interested in a first rate magazine.



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JIM BROWN

02-18-2004 10:11:21




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 Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to VADAVE, 02-18-2004 04:43:12  
I JUST WANT OT TAKE TIME OUT TO THANK SHERRY, LANDIS AND ALL OTHERS FOR KEEPING OLIVER AND CLETRAC ALIVE.



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oliver lover

02-18-2004 10:06:51




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 Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to VADAVE, 02-18-2004 04:43:12  
I will be mailing mine tonight!!!!! !!



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Hoppy

02-18-2004 05:49:21




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 Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to VADAVE, 02-18-2004 04:43:12  
How do we subcribe? Where to and how much?



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VADAVE

02-18-2004 06:12:18




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 Re: Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to Hoppy, 02-18-2004 05:49:21  
Sorry should have included it in the ealier post. Go to Sherry's web site: www.oliverinformation.com. There is a subscription form.



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Question

02-20-2004 16:55:40




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 Re: Re: Re: OLIVER HERITAGE in reply to VADAVE, 02-18-2004 06:12:18  
I have one question for anyone who would like to throw out an answer. The only noticeable names I've seen on here have been a ways out from Illinois. If Sherry really did get a raw deal in all of this, where are her local people to rally behind her? It just seems that out of all this mess, it seems the best course of action for both parties involved. The club can have their magazine run the way they want it and she can run hers how she sees fit.

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