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How do I squeeze a little more power??

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Farmall Daddy

02-15-2004 09:20:26




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I don't know about all you guys, but I plan to make this upcoming year a good one. I pull an 88 Oliver in the 5500, 6500, and the 7000 pound classes so far. It is only 57 horsepower, and I was wondering, is there any other way that I could squeeze a little more power out of my 88 so I could compete pretty well in the 7500? When I pulled it in the 7000, the motor sounded excellent. I didn't kill it, but the motor was pulling down into the govenor range. Everything is stock except for the 3 3/4 pistons in it. I run around 1925 rpm's on it. Thanks for any advice guys/gals!!

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Wes Dorhout

02-15-2004 17:43:20




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 Re: How do I squeeze a little more power?? in reply to Farmall Daddy, 02-15-2004 09:20:26  
With 57 horsepower you must be in the stock classes? So I will give you some ideas that are still considered stock or replacement parts. At 1925 rpms you are the limit for stock rules around here, but make sure your gov. is opening up as soon as possible. A hotter coil and chev. dist. A 880 head with .080 plained off will help. But what is easy and will help without spending a lot of money, put on a 1650 intake/exhaust manifold with a heat exchanger plate in the middle. This will allow you to run the larger 1650 carb. If you are interested, give me a call @ 712-324-2760 I have this in stock.

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770

02-15-2004 17:27:28




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 Re: How do I squeeze a little more power?? in reply to Farmall Daddy, 02-15-2004 09:20:26  
Hint hint.....make 'em breathe....It'll shock you the difference. Port and polish the head and tune the carb on a dyno....Just an idea that don't cost much.....



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Wisconsin 88

02-15-2004 17:05:15




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 Re: How do I squeeze a little more power?? in reply to Farmall Daddy, 02-15-2004 09:20:26  
Get a 99 gas head and manifold, it will wake the 88 up, bolts right on.



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old

02-15-2004 15:54:27




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 Re: How do I squeeze a little more power?? in reply to Farmall Daddy, 02-15-2004 09:20:26  
You might go with a carb/intake manifold from a Super 88



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ChadS

02-15-2004 15:49:42




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 Re: How do I squeeze a little more power?? in reply to Farmall Daddy, 02-15-2004 09:20:26  
FD,, Before I would recommend anything,, what have you done to the carb, ignition, and what are you using for fuel? Have you tuned it up on a dyno, and built the carb by using the dyno to find power? I know, I may catch heck for mentioning a IH on here, (don't hate me guys!!) But on the 263 I am working on, I have learned it takes alot of carb work. Olivers, have a very small carb on them to start with, but there is power hiding in them, You need to be able to make it smoke when you open up the main jet adjustment. Fuel,, on pullers, regular gas, or racing fuel does not cut it in low rpm engines. It burns up too fast, and actually creates a problem in tuning the carb. You need to find a very slow burning fuel. Here is my theory, Lets use racing fuel as an example. When the piston fires, the fuel explodes, and starts the power stroke, but it burns up so fast, it is gone before the actual power stroke is making peak power. A slow burning fuel, stays lit in the cyl longer, and helps make power when the power stroke in the engine is making peak power on the downward stroke. When running low rpm engines, you have more time to create a air/fuel mixture, and make a more effecient power band. On high rpm engines, you want the fuel to burn up faster, so it can be ready for a new fuel charge. On a low rpm engine, you want it to burn as long as you can. I have found a fuel that works very well for pulling low rpm engines, this stuff makes more power, and torque than any racing fuel I know of. Can handle 300 psi, and control detonation, has enough octane, but not too much to create contaminates that rob power. Works well in low compression engines when you mix it with a bit more gasoline, and will pass a fuel test. It is called "gasahol" it is a mixture, of Ethanol, and 94 octane premium fuel. Farm bureau Coop sells it here in Indiana, and after the mix, it costs around $2.50 a gallon. This fuel will make on the average of 7-9 more HP, just by putting in in the tank, and have seen as much as 15hp increase by setting it up, and building the carb while on the dyno. NO BS boys, it is good stuff. Hope this helps, ChadS

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Farmall Daddy

02-16-2004 11:08:17




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 Re: Re: How do I squeeze a little more power?? in reply to ChadS, 02-15-2004 15:49:42  
It has a stock head, carb, and ignition system. I haven't taken the motor apart to know what this one has in it. It has the stock govenor, and it kicks in fairly quick compared to the IH's. I have heard of putting Chevy valves in it to boost the compression. How much would it usually cost to port, and shave the head down? If it is possible to put Chevy valves in it, would you guys recommend doing so? Thanks!!

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ChadS

02-16-2004 14:23:10




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 Re: Re: Re: How do I squeeze a little more power?? in reply to Farmall Daddy, 02-16-2004 11:08:17  
Farmall Daddy, there are so many things to do to the 88, to hop it up, it is not funny!! From what I have learned recently, is that the 88 head is a very restricted cyl head. It does have very small ports, and a small intake manifold. I would estimate, that you would have around 450-650 in the head to port, polish, and big valve it. Would be easier to find a head that has a better flow and bigger intake. From what I have also learned,,, when porting, polishing, and big valves, is that it can rob you of power if it does not compliment the rest of the engine. What I mean is, even though you give it more air, and fuel, you may drop too much vacuum, and lose torque. This is where you would need to increase compression to compensate for the change in the engine. You can mill the head,, to help, but may not be enough. I would start by dyno tuning it for peak power. Most make a mistake when dyno tuning, by just setting the timing, and the carb main fuel adjustment, and saying, yep, it is all it is going to get. That is not true at all. A stock, unaltered carb is hiding power. It simply will not deliver enough fuel to make power below 540 rpm, and that is where you need to look for power for a puller. it is called torque. Every time I get into dyno tuning a tractor, I will peak it with what it has, and then say, lets do more. I go through the carb, open up the fuel jet, and the metering stem, Like I am sure you have seen my posts in the pulling forum, the main jet size will need to be increased, and the bottom 2 holes in the brass metering stem will need to be drilled to match the main jet. That will give it fuel. Now, that is about all you can do with the small carb from the 88. Now, a good fuel, (not racing fuel) will be helpful in making power after the carb has been modified. Ok, lets look at the ignition, the mechanical advance is holding it back as well, all you have to do, is go to the parts store, get a Chevy distributor curve kit. it has 3 sets of small springs in this kit, use the lightest spring in the kit to replace the stiff, stock springs. This will advance the timing a lot faster, and will increase throttle response. Also, get a electronic ignition, or a MSD. That condensor, is robbing current to the plugs, you can either go with the electronic conversion, or buy a MSD unit, and still use points. either way, you get rid of that condensor, and will double the coil output to the plugs. I used a MSD, and points on my 460H, and eliminated the condensor, and gave it more spark. I was able to increase the fuel to it, because it is able to burn more fuel ,and not foul them out. Ok lets look at cyl heads,, you asked about porting and polishing, and milling, I can make you a thinner copper head gasket that will boost more compression, just by installing it, you can mill it and use the gasket, and pick up a few more ponies that way too, on porting, just clean up the intake ports, and you can open up the exhuast ports as much as you want., the intakes, just need to be clean, and unrestricted, only when you have alot of compression, will you need to open up the intake ports size, you will lose vacuum. so just clean em up, and polish the intakes, and open up the exhaust all you want. I would say,, by matching the carb to the engines potential, changing the advance springs, you will see about a 7-12 hp increase easy!! You want more? change fuels, good for more yet, still not happy? mill the head, and get a thin gasket, with all of the above, you could see about 20 more Hp easily!!! If you are from Indiana, I am about 40 miles west of Ft.Wayne, IN on 114, you can bring it down, and I will set it up for you on the dyno. email me if you need any more info, Hope this helps. ChadS

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K D

02-15-2004 21:06:10




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 Re: Re: How do I squeeze a little more power?? in reply to ChadS, 02-15-2004 15:49:42  
Are you mixing this ethanol and this 94 half and half.



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Chads

02-16-2004 05:32:22




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 Re: Re: Re: How do I squeeze a little more power?? in reply to K D, 02-15-2004 21:06:10  
Yes, I recommend mixing 50/50 for engines with compression over 225 and up, under 225,, a 70/30 mix, 2 gal gas to 1 gal ethanol, Try it, and dyno it, you will like it, Chad



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WFE

02-15-2004 12:46:04




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 Re: How do I squeeze a little more power?? in reply to Farmall Daddy, 02-15-2004 09:20:26  
The possibilities span as far as your imagination and your checkbook will take you. You can shave the head to boost compression pretty inexpensively (might get you into the 70 hp range from your current 57). If allowed, a few more rpms should also help, but I wouldn't run it that way in the field or for long periods, given the 88s lubrication system for the rod bearings. Bigger carb, porting the head, and bigger valves would also help. After that, things can get spendy. Good luck!!

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