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Battery warmer- - How do you use it?

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PJ

01-18-2004 09:08:18




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I have a 1650 that has 2 6V excide batteries in it- It seems as though it when I try to start it, its not cranking fast enought to start- Is a battery charger an good idea, and if it is, is it hard to hook up?

ps. I use the coolant heater that came origionally on the tractor, its a 1000w coolant heater.

thanks, PJ




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PJ

01-19-2004 04:37:50




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 Re: Battery warmer- - How do you use it? in reply to PJ, 01-18-2004 09:08:18  
Thanks for all the feed back, I really appreciate it- I did have another dumb question though.

When you adjust your clutch, is there any way to adjust where it "grabs". Mine "grabs" near the top, and I adjusted the free pedal travel, but it didn't fix the problem. Any suggestions???
Thanks again,
PJ



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fixerupper

01-18-2004 19:21:52




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 Re: Battery warmer- - How do you use it? in reply to PJ, 01-18-2004 09:08:18  
wive's tale! The coolant gets a lot hotter when the tractor is working hard than it does with the engine silent and the block /tank heater plugged in.



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klf

01-18-2004 15:07:38




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 Re: Battery warmer- - How do you use it? in reply to PJ, 01-18-2004 09:08:18  
First of all, you have two Excide batteries hooked in series..... get rid of them. I find double battery hook-ups trouble, and Excide batteries don't impress me. Put in one 31P-MHD Interstate battery. It is 12 volt and has 975 COLD cranking amps. People are going to say that it doesn't have the reserve, but in fires up all 3 of my diesel 1850's. If you think you want more power than that, put in another 31P-MHD and hook the two in parallel.

Second, drain that 30 weight and put in some 15W-40. I know that there is Rotella 15W-40. This multi-vis oil will not harm your engine. It is much better in the cold than 30 weight, especially when your tractor hasn't started yet and the oil pressure is building up.

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Dean Barker

01-18-2004 21:48:36




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 Re: Re: Battery warmer- - How do you use it? in reply to klf, 01-18-2004 15:07:38  
I am going to try just one 12 volt battery in one of my 1655 diesels. Actually, isn't one 6 volt battery just 3 cells in series and one 12 volt battery just 6 cells in series. So what is wrong with two 6 volt batteries in series? I have experienced problems with that setup also, but what gives?



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klf

01-19-2004 18:38:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Battery warmer- - How do you use it? in reply to Dean Barker, 01-18-2004 21:48:36  
The voltage is additive when hooked in series....two 6 volt batteries makes 12 volts total, or two 12 volt batteries hooked in series will give you 24 volts (the amperage stays the same). When hooked in parallel, the amperage is additive like two 12 volt batteries hooked in parallel with 975 CCA per battery will give you 1950 CCA (the voltage stays the same).

As far as the problem with double battery hook-ups...bad cable connections, one battery is good and one is bad, one has a short and drains the other one and so on.

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J. Schwiebert

01-18-2004 10:02:16




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 Re: Battery warmer- - How do you use it? in reply to PJ, 01-18-2004 09:08:18  
You left a lot of unanswered questions. Cranking speed is very important in starting a diesel. If you are in winter climate and I do not remember the exact numbers from when we covered this when I taught Ag-diesel in high school but your cranking power of the battery is about or at least a third less in 10 degree weather than when the temperature is 70-75 degrees. The water heater is a good step in the right direction. Is it working? Hold your hand on the block after it is plugged in for 2 hours and see if the block is warm. How long do you let it on? Dairy farmer that plugged them in before they started chores and about 2 plus hours later had good luck with them. A battery charger hooked up on a slow rate of charge will warm the batteries, increase the life of the battery(s). What are you using for motor oil weight wise and what grade fuel are you using? Just food for thought.

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PJ

01-18-2004 14:31:55




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 Re: Re: Battery warmer- - How do you use it? in reply to J. Schwiebert, 01-18-2004 10:02:16  
Thanks for responding so quickly in answer to your questions

1- The water heater is working, but in -24-35 C weather, I just seems to take at least 7-8 hrs before its warmed- do I have to worry about "cooking" my rings? And yes, I do have it tarped

2- When I used the battery charger it seemed to make absolutely no difference in the cranking speed- I left it on for 4 hrs

3- I'm using a 30 weight Rotella (Shell)- I could go thinner, but when the engine warms up it makes no difference the outside temp - Would an oil heater work?

4- I'm using #2 diesel with winter fuel condtioner in it made by Kleen Flo

Thanks for your speedy response, maybe we can get this resolved. Thanks, PJ

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john

01-19-2004 07:13:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Battery warmer- - How do you use it? in reply to PJ, 01-18-2004 14:31:55  
Your oil is too heavy for that cold of temp.
Use a multi grade like 15W30 rotella or something like it.



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Bob

01-18-2004 15:48:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Battery warmer- - How do you use it? in reply to PJ, 01-18-2004 14:31:55  
You CAN'T POSSIBLY "cook" your rings with a block heater.



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PJ

01-18-2004 17:32:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Battery warmer- - How do you use i in reply to Bob, 01-18-2004 15:48:35  
I heard from this site that this happens- is this a controversial issue like ether or is it just a wives tale?



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RAB

01-18-2004 22:58:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Battery warmer- - How do you u in reply to PJ, 01-18-2004 17:32:58  
I suppose it could have been a contributory factor in a very few instances or just blamed by someone 'cos they couldn't put it down to anything else.
I would think that maybe heating just one side of a liner could create distortion of the liner and possibly lead to failure of the sealing rings. Might happen where a high power heater is used and coolant flow is restricted to one side of the block. Differential expansion near the top of a liner might produce a strong force at the 'free' end of the liner and if is not as tight as it might be..... ..
We don't have as low temps to contend with in the UK, but pumped 3kW heaters are available for engine heating and I have one for my car.
Regards,RAB

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Bob

01-18-2004 22:00:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Battery warmer- - How do you u in reply to PJ, 01-18-2004 17:32:58  
It's even more silly than an old wive's tale. As long as the system is full of coolant, it can't possibly get anywheres near as hot as it would working on a warm summer day. If the coolant were to leak out, the heater would quickly burn out, damaging only itself. Ya really gotta wonder where some of that silly stuff gets it's start!



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Chris Brown

01-19-2004 07:23:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Battery warmer- - How do y in reply to Bob, 01-18-2004 22:00:59  
I agree,Bob.If the block heater was that powerful it would boil the antifreeze and spill out the cap first,It just ain't gonna happen.They just don't have that much power.The dipstick heaters can go bad,they burn the oil onto the stick,get big and wont come out with out pulling the oil pan.
I had an old 6.9L ford p/u with the oe block heater and an inline lower radiater hose heater and a battery tray heater,it'd start anytime.I'd start it and the heater would blow warm air for a few seconds till the water circulated good then it'd cool off till the engine warmed up.

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