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Shoup Oil Filters vs AGCO filters

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RB

01-10-2004 13:45:34




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The prices of one of the two oil filters for the 310 Waukesha in a Oliver 1955 differ greatly between the Baldwin from Shoup and the AGCO one. We are talking about $8.00 as opposed to about $23.00 (AGCO). Is the AGCO one really worth that much more,or is this typical AGCO price gouging?




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Thomas

01-13-2004 17:54:33




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 Re: Shoup Oil Filters vs AGCO filters in reply to RB, 01-10-2004 13:45:34  
We have to get our oil filters some where other than Agco for our 1755 the threds for the spin on are to small on the agco one but the wix fits they told me agco tride to reduse part numbers I should get the adapter befor they quit making it but I havent



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IanC

01-10-2004 18:36:32




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 Re: Shoup Oil Filters vs AGCO filters in reply to RB, 01-10-2004 13:45:34  
I don't know if AGCO changed suppliers, but up till early 90's WIX made Whites filters. The difference is in the grade of filter. "replacement" grade filters are made to FIT the aplication and to a certain price/profit ratio. OEM grade filters are made to match what the manufacturer tells the filter engineers they want. To put it in pickup terms, the will fit is the F-150, and the OEM is the F-350 dually diesel. Fleetguard (owned by Cummins) has some real good info on filter construction check their web site. There have been previous discussions on this board, check the archives also. Remember filters and oil are CHEAP compared to hard parts, and downtime.

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e

01-10-2004 20:19:01




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 Re: Re: Shoup Oil Filters vs AGCO filters in reply to IanC, 01-10-2004 18:36:32  
IanC is right. As an engineer for one of the largest filter companies in the world(sorry can't disclose name), sticking with the OEM is your best bet if you are uncertain. There IS some inter selling between filter manufacturers ie. wix can sell filters to fram for low volume filters(such as with your hydraulic filter). OEM filters leave the factory with the OEM name and they are not repackaged contrary to some peoples perception. Keep in mind that you can be certain that the OEM filters meet OEM specs, aftermarket doesn't have to meet anything by rights. There are a lot of things that can be different even though two filters look the same.

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VADAVE

01-10-2004 18:14:00




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 Re: Shoup Oil Filters vs AGCO filters in reply to RB, 01-10-2004 13:45:34  
I find AGCO filters to be priced excessively high. Generally I use WIX. For the Hydraulic filter AGCO includes the "O" ring for the canister while WIX does not so when I need to change the "O" ring I spring for the AGCO filter. Remember AGCO is not a filter manufacturer and is repackaging someone else's filter. They don't put spec's on the box.



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j meyer

01-10-2004 15:30:51




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 Re: Shoup Oil Filters vs AGCO filters in reply to RB, 01-10-2004 13:45:34  
well, i guess it comes down to how much this tractor is worth to you. I figure get the best quality filter(micron rating wise) and go with that. Baldwin is one of the worst for micron ratings. I dont know where Shoup is at, but I'd guess that the Agco one is pretty good.



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