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Another 1650 battery question

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Pete

12-18-2003 09:02:19




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My 1650 also has 2 6 volt batteries which don't hold enough of a charge to start the tractor in the winter time. I guess I have been charging the batteries wrong since I have hooked up 2 chargers at the same time, one to each battery, set on 6 volt. The batteries have enough juice in the summer to start the tractor. Should I be thinking about replacing the batteries and if so would it be better to get 2 new sixes or is there a better solution, like two 12 in parallel. I am getting tired of having to jump start it every time I want to use it Thanks, Pete

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Shep Va

12-18-2003 12:34:56




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 Re: Another 1650 battery question in reply to Pete, 12-18-2003 09:02:19  
Ok, I will have to be the first to disagree with the rest. I have several tractors running two 12 volt batteries in parallel and several tractors running two 6 volts in series. I run the highest cranking amp 12's I can find, and one tractor has optima gell batteries. I run Group 2 950CCA 6 volt batteries in the series tractors. As a rule when the weather gets cold around here the tractors with the 6 volt batteries always seem to start better under the same conditions. Not only that most of the time the two 6 volts are cheaper than two 12's.

In my mind the two 12 volts have a lot of power for lights and will kick the engines over with a lot of power, but fade out pretty fast. The 6 volt ones seem to have a lot deeper cranking power and can keep the tractor cranking until it fires, a lot easier.

Bottom line is either will work, I kinda like the 6 volt batteries in series vs the two 12s but I still have several of both. I really dont see how these guys are starting tractors in the dead of winter with only one 12 volt battery, must be something I am doing wrong, I think they would fade out pretty fast. I also run 90 to 130 amp altinators on all the tractors, I have a lot of haligon (sp) lights on the tractors, and the equipment runs a lot of power these days.

I guess it is not as big a deal on the smaller tractors, but the bigger engines, like my 585ci Moline need lots of batteries to get them going in the winter.

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VADAVE

12-18-2003 15:22:51




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 Re: Re: Another 1650 battery question in reply to Shep Va, 12-18-2003 12:34:56  
Shep when I was in western Maryland (same kind of weather you deal with) I only had the 1855 which has 2 6 volt bateries. When it was zero or lower the only way i got it started was with the water heater. Ran it couple of hours and could feel a difference in the temp of the block--then it would start.
Down here on the flat ground they start a lot easier but I still use the water heater.



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Shep Va

12-19-2003 05:09:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Another 1650 battery question in reply to VADAVE, 12-18-2003 15:22:51  
Oh I totally agree, the tank heaters or block heaters are great. Problem is, several places that I have tractors stored to move hay in the winter do not have power, so I cannot plug them up. I use the air heaters on the ones that have them and that is all I have. Sometimes it does take a little bit of cranking to get them going, and sometimes on ones I know are a little harder to start they get a small smell of starting fluid to help kick them off (without using the air heater of corse).

I guess my response was more for if you didnt have the ability to plug them in, the two 6 volt batteries could get you going a lot better. Any of them can start the tractor if the tank heater has been running.

Thanks Dave

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Canada Grant

12-20-2003 12:52:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Another 1650 battery question in reply to Shep Va, 12-19-2003 05:09:29  
Just a thought on charging batteries . We use solar powered system to pump water for cattle a little solar charger would boost the battery's for the extra go needed where there is no power for block heater!!!



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ajax implement

12-18-2003 11:56:03




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 Re: Another 1650 battery question in reply to Pete, 12-18-2003 09:02:19  
The advice for the block heater is excellant. Dairy farmers that used them and plugged them in before they started chores never had starting problems. We have thought about putting a timmer on one outlet and then running the heater(s) off of it. This is also with competitive make tractors so this problem is not limited to Olivers. A block heater is a wise investment



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Sam M

12-18-2003 10:37:22




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 Re: Another 1650 battery question in reply to Pete, 12-18-2003 09:02:19  
I have an 1850 and a 1555 , both of which originally came with two batteries and were converted over to one 12 volt battery . I think I get a battery from my local feed store (through Farm Bureau ) which has 1100 cold cranking amps . With working preheater on air manifold , one 12 volt battery starts either tractor fine although the 1555 is a very cold natured tractor . Water heater mentioned in other post is also an additional option . Just be careful and do not leave it plugged up all the time . I know a fellow who had a 1650 diesel that was left plugged up all the time and the hot water caused the rubber piston rings to fail , letting water into the engine oil and then when the engine was under load caused the engine to fail . Plugging it up a couple of hours before starting is not a problem . Just cannot jump on the tractor and go like in the summer .

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VADAVE

12-18-2003 09:58:59




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 Re: Another 1650 battery question in reply to Pete, 12-18-2003 09:02:19  
I think the 1650 is the same as my 1655--with a battery on each side of the platform. I went to one 12 volt battery, as big as would fit in the battery box. That single battery spins the engine real well. Then I added a water heater from AGCO (This draws about 1200 watts). When it is really cold plug it in about 2 hours before you need the tractor and she'll start fine.



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old

12-18-2003 09:39:49




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 Re: Another 1650 battery question in reply to Pete, 12-18-2003 09:02:19  
Its 12 volt system right?? If so all you need to do is get a large say 950 cold cranking amp battery to replace the 2-6 volt batterys, I did that on my 190XT allis and it worked very well and save a few $$ to boot I got the battery at NAPA for $65



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vern in tx

12-18-2003 19:46:27




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 Re: Re: Another 1650 battery question in reply to old, 12-18-2003 09:39:49  
As a rule of thumb you need to get a battery or batteries that is twice the size of your engine. for example 310 waukesha, you would need at the very least cold cranking amp of least 620. i have a 1650 d with two six vbolt. was thinking of converting it bit i might not after reading some of your post.and mine has a tough time starting in the winter> granted it is south tx. so you boys up north have a little bit tougher winter than i do . but still the amps thing is still the rule of thumb. that is my 2 cents vern

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