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Did older Oliver's often break their frames?

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Ross

12-02-2003 19:08:37




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This is something I'm starting to wonder after I saw an add that said 66 Oliver belly never broken. Also this summer my dad welded an 88 frame back together after it broke the frame on both sides about four inches in front the transmission It looked like casting pits caused the cracks. Was this common on older olivers? I'd never heard or seen anything mentioned about this but I'm getting curious.
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Ross

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Don-Wi

12-04-2003 20:43:12




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 Re: Did older Oliver's often break their frames? in reply to Ross, 12-02-2003 19:08:37  
I haven't heard much of the larger tractors ever breaking, but in my 1600's frame I found a crack right between the engine mounts on the right side. I still gotta put the new one on. I tried pulling the axel apart so I could narrow it up, but I've decided to abandon that idea, I've tried just about every thing and no luck. Now my 1755 with the loader has a bad engine so I don't know how I'm going to get the other one back on yet, but I want to do it soon, before the snow flies.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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Larry from MD

12-03-2003 14:33:23




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 Re: Did older Oliver's often break their frames? in reply to Ross, 12-02-2003 19:08:37  
In the oliver service bulittons it talks about some of the fleetline frames breaking or cracking.They say the super frames were built up in the area where the breaks happen and anytime an older frame breaks it should be replaced with a super frame.



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Dsl

12-03-2003 12:33:14




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 Re: Did older Oliver's often break their frames? in reply to Ross, 12-02-2003 19:08:37  
Oliver 66 Standards break the radius rod web out of their frames regularly, and break the tub itself from time to time. I've seen 77 & 88 Standards with broken or cracked tubs as well, but not with nearly the percentage of 66's.



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Alan

12-03-2003 12:26:21




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 Re: Did older Oliver's often break their frames? in reply to Ross, 12-02-2003 19:08:37  
This summer, after spending six months and roughly $5000 in a restoration, I took my 88 diesel out for it's first weekend of pulling. Mind you, this is all strictly first gear, farm stock pulling with out much added weight and pulling on loose tracks. The front end never even got light. While loading it on the trailer after the second pull I saw what I first though was a oil leak running down the frame, about an inch in front of the transmission. Upon closer inspection I realized that it was a crack that ran completly through one half of the tub. It was a tremondous let down and I got a lot of guff from my Jd friends because I had ALWAYS pulled john deere until that weekend.

It turned out to not be so bad, though. I was able to get a replacement for 150$. I primed and painted it and then with the help of 4 other guys we were able to change the tub in three hours. It was going again the next weekend where it got two firsts.

Despite all this, I consider myself lucky. Another friend of mine completly split his super 88 diesel when he went through a waterway while baling. He had a loader on the tractor for years.

From talking to the Korves brothers and others they say that split frames are not an everyday occurance but they are not oncommon either. I also feel that replacing the frame is well worth the added expense and doesn't really add that much more time when compared to welding.

Just my $.02

Alan

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Ross

12-03-2003 18:15:16




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 Re: Re: Did older Oliver's often break their frame in reply to Alan, 12-03-2003 12:26:21  
Alan the situation in which my friends' Oliver (the 88) broke was similar to yours. 1st gear stock local antique tractor pull. The tractor is only used to bale hay once a year and dragging the occasional tree.
My Dad and I both thought that replacing the frame was the best bet but my friend found some certanium 889sp rod and my dad welded it back together because that's how my friend wanted to do it.
I think he (my friend) is just kind of experimenting to see if this rod is good as they claim.
Ross

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Nick

12-03-2003 03:46:57




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 Re: Did older Oliver's often break their frames? in reply to Ross, 12-02-2003 19:08:37  
In the 60's my Dad had a 77 that broke the frame. He was digging up an area where he had removed the trees and ran the front of the tractor on a stump. It came down over the stump and broke the frame 4 to 5 inches ahead of the transmission. We removed it and had it welded and replaced it. I doubt the frames would normally break very easily.



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UK Row Crop

12-03-2003 13:31:00




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 Re: Re: Did older Oliver's often break their frame in reply to Nick , 12-03-2003 03:46:57  
My 1949 88RC has the early type of wide front axel which was known for breaking, but I did'nt know the main frame had any weak points.



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Sam F.

12-20-2003 20:06:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Did older Oliver's often break their f in reply to UK Row Crop, 12-03-2003 13:31:00  
Have a 60 Row Crop that has the frame welded heavily on all four corners. Can a person replace this frame. Think I will just list it on e-bay!!



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