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Starting Trouble Super 55

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Biscuit

10-15-2003 13:33:56




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Hello all,

My Super 55 (gas) refuses to start. It was idling the other day while I loaded the wagon and suddenly stopped, not the sputtering out of gas stop just suddenly stopped. I checked to see if there was gas and tried restarting. I got one start and an immediate shut down. I added more gas just in case and nothing, Checked to be sure gas was getting to carb, yes, checked for spark at plugs, yes. So where to from here? The Tractor and I have chores to get finished. Added note new battery, and over hauled generator and regulator just a few months ago.

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Biscuit

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Biscuit

10-15-2003 14:54:27




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 Re: Starting Trouble Super 55 in reply to Biscuit, 10-15-2003 13:33:56  
Looks like a clogged jet is the answer. I took off the air cleaner hose, (found a little gas lying in there by the way) sprayed in some carb cleaner and she fired up for just a second or two, did this a couple of times same result. I'll charge the battery and clean jets tonight/tomorrow (any advice on the cleaning appreciated and welcomed).

Thanks much,

Biscuit



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Ollie

10-15-2003 15:44:52




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 Re: Re: Starting Trouble Super 55 in reply to Biscuit, 10-15-2003 14:54:27  
Remove the fuel line at the carb. Run whatever comes out of the line from the tank into a glass jar. Let it sit for 20 minutes or so. If you see water/dirt/crud/rust/whatever at the bottom of the jar, you are going to have to solve that problem or you are just wasting your time.

If all is OK, try this. Squirt some B12 Chemtool (no substitutes, any auto parts store should have it) into the carb through the fitting where you just removed the fuel line. Flood it really good until B12 is dripping all over (float bowl will be full). Let it sit overnight, then try to start it. B12 is a very powerful solvent and may remove the dirt at the jet. If not, buy a rebuild kit ($25 or so) and rebuild it. While doing so, be sure to check carefully for any dirt/crud in the carburetor. It's always a good sign when you find the offending piece of dirt but sometimes you don't. I'd also suggest you install an inline fuel filter (NAPA 3033 is a nice one) to keep this from happening in the future. Replace the filter once a year.

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Ollie

10-15-2003 14:00:47




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 Re: Starting Trouble Super 55 in reply to Biscuit, 10-15-2003 13:33:56  
Gas engines need 4 things to run...

1) Fuel 2) Ignition 3) Timing 4) Compression

To narrow the problem, assuming here that the starter engages the flywheel and actually spins the crankshaft,...

Spray carburetor cleaner directly in the carb throat while someone else attempts to start it. If it starts, even briefly, you have a fuel delivery problem. If not, you have an ignition, timing, or compression problem.

If it's a fuel delivery problem, then I think RAB is right on the money.

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Biscuit

10-15-2003 14:08:30




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 Re: Re: Starting Trouble Super 55 in reply to Ollie, 10-15-2003 14:00:47  
Okay, here is where I show some measure of ignorance. To spray in the carb cleaner I need to remove the air cleaner hose or the fuel line? The whole oil air filter baffles my general knowlege of carburators.

Thanks,

Biscuit



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Ollie

10-15-2003 14:16:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Starting Trouble Super 55 in reply to Biscuit, 10-15-2003 14:08:30  
Air cleaner hose.



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Biscuit

10-15-2003 14:46:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Starting Trouble Super 55 in reply to Ollie, 10-15-2003 14:16:56  
Thanks. Let me say Duh! Sometimes I amaze myself at how much of the obvious I can overlook.

Biscuit



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RAB

10-15-2003 13:42:56




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 Re: Starting Trouble Super 55 in reply to Biscuit, 10-15-2003 13:33:56  
Blocked main jet?
Regards,RAB



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Biscuit

10-15-2003 14:02:32




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 Re: Re: Starting Trouble Super 55 in reply to RAB, 10-15-2003 13:42:56  
That thought crossed my mind. I did the process of filling and draining the carburator using the drain plug, what else can I do to check this possibility?

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Biscuit



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Bob

10-15-2003 14:52:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Starting Trouble Super 55 in reply to Biscuit, 10-15-2003 14:02:32  
Sounds like your carb needs overhauled. Kits are readily available at your local agco dealer.You should take it to a local mechanic and have him soak it over night in a carb solution and than have a new kit put in it. These kits are not very expensive and if your using the tractor daily, its money well spent. Good luck



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Bill Weber

10-15-2003 16:11:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Starting Trouble Super 55 in reply to Bob, 10-15-2003 14:52:59  
If you're going to rebuild the carb, check out the article titled "Step-by-Step Carburetor Overhaul 1952 Ford 8N" on this YT site. The marvel-schebler carb illustrated is very similar to the TSX model on my Super 55, and the procedure's the same. The photographs are excellent. Good luck



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Biscuit

10-15-2003 14:58:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Starting Trouble Super 55 in reply to Bob, 10-15-2003 14:52:59  
Can I get one over the net, will a car mechanic do the work? Local where I live means hour drive one way and no guarantees on the parts when I get there. I like the idea of doing a rebuild.



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Bob

10-15-2003 15:21:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Starting Trouble Super 55 in reply to Biscuit, 10-15-2003 14:58:47  
Yeah, any local mechanic could do that little job for you.Making sure its cleaned properly is the most important part.The kit contains instructions and a measure tape for leveling your float. Good luck



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Bob

10-15-2003 15:16:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Starting Trouble Super 55 in reply to Biscuit, 10-15-2003 14:58:47  
Well, if your relying on your tractor daily, a rebuild is the only way to go. Call the closest agco dealer to you and see if they have a kit in stock. If they do, you could either drive to get it or have them send it to you. If your carb isent real gummed up with old gas, you could buy a can of carb cleaner and spray it good with that. Maybe soak it in some desiel or kerosene for a little be and than take the air hose to it for a spell. Check your float closely, if either or both of the float tanks are caved in, you should get a new float also. Good luck

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RAB

10-16-2003 06:56:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Starting Trouble Super 55 in reply to Bob, 10-15-2003 15:16:29  
Bob, Now then!! There is another option - buy another tractor!!! I am sure you don't change your tractor for a new one every time it needs a service. You don't rebuild an injection pump every time the fuel filter needs changing. So why spend money, when removing and cleaning a jet (with compressed air, not a piece of wire) might be a perfect fix?
Regards, RAB



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Bob

10-16-2003 07:37:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Starting Trouble Super in reply to RAB, 10-16-2003 06:56:42  
I never pass up on the chance to buy another OLIVER. When your using your tractor daily for chores, i would prefer the 25.00 kit to your "might be a fix"



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Ollie

10-16-2003 08:16:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Starting Trouble S in reply to Bob, 10-16-2003 07:37:31  
I've pulled apart many a carb and cleaned them like RAB suggested. He's right, very few actually need a rebuild. But I always suggest that people have a rebuild kit on hand in the event you tear a gasket, etc.



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Bob

10-16-2003 09:46:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Starting Troub in reply to Ollie, 10-16-2003 08:16:05  
well there ya have it Biscuit, get a kit just incase, but only blow it out with an air hose. Maybe clamp a pair of vice crips on it somewhere and wrap some bailer twine around it too for extra assurance.



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Ollie

10-16-2003 11:37:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Starting T in reply to Bob, 10-16-2003 09:46:29  
Do us all a favor you jerk; take a long walk off a short pier!



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Bob

10-16-2003 11:51:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Starti in reply to Ollie, 10-16-2003 11:37:24  
well i would rather be a jerk than a faceless coward and it wouldnt matter about the walk, i got all the manuals on swimming in deep water.



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Ollie

10-16-2003 14:23:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: St in reply to Bob, 10-16-2003 11:51:08  
Ask your doctor for help. Mental illness does not have the stigma attached to it that it once did. Good luck to you!



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Jack

10-16-2003 19:37:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re in reply to Ollie, 10-16-2003 14:23:57  
ollie do you mean that you'r going to commit yourself now PS you really should



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PS

10-16-2003 11:17:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Starting T in reply to Bob, 10-16-2003 09:46:29  
Im sorry i misled you with such terrible advice. I should have been sitting back patiently listening to the EXPERTS advice, who i might add, dont even have enough GUTS to use their real name or post their e-mail



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