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60 vs. 66 pistons and rods

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Geoffrey

10-05-2003 07:14:38




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What are the differences between the 60 an 66 pistons and rods besides the bore? I'm sure the wrist pin is larger also. Will a 66 piston work in a 60 if you just bore the sleeves of the 60?
Thanks




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Brad

10-06-2003 14:44:54




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 Re: 60 vs. 66 pistons and rods in reply to Geoffrey, 10-05-2003 07:14:38  
For both you guys that were interested, here are some prices on 60 engine parts. I realize they are not as cheap as a smallblock chevy engine, but most of this stuff is basically custom made.

piston, sleeve and ring set 3 3/8 bore $635 overhaul gasket set w/seals $177.50
In. valve $20.87
Ex. valve $27.38
rod brg set $62.00
main brg set $148.00

If interested, call Maibach tractor 1-800-808-9934 ask for anyone in parts.

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Geoffrey

10-06-2003 15:51:43




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 Re: Re: 60 vs. 66 pistons and rods in reply to Brad, 10-06-2003 14:44:54  
Does all that come in my choice of gold or silver or just gold?



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Brad

10-06-2003 20:16:43




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 Re: Re: Re: 60 vs. 66 pistons and rods in reply to Geoffrey, 10-06-2003 15:51:43  
Well, I guess the pistons are sort of silver colored.....



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Geoffrey

10-05-2003 17:52:52




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 Re: 60 vs. 66 pistons and rods in reply to Geoffrey, 10-05-2003 07:14:38  
Ok. Forget that question. I thought overhaul kits were not available for the 60.

Brad what price would I be looking at for both an overhaul kit and for just a sleeve and piston kit for my 60? Both stock bore and stroke. Do you have valves for the 60 also? How much per valve?
Thanks
Geoffrey



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Brad

10-05-2003 19:10:28




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 Re: Re: 60 vs. 66 pistons and rods in reply to Geoffrey, 10-05-2003 17:52:52  
I'm not sure offhand but I'll check and get back to you.



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Clint

10-05-2003 16:20:20




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 Re: 60 vs. 66 pistons and rods in reply to Geoffrey, 10-05-2003 07:14:38  
Who would want to pull an Oliver?



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Brian

10-05-2003 17:34:54




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 Re: Re: 60 vs. 66 pistons and rods in reply to Clint , 10-05-2003 16:20:20  
Clint, who would want to pull or drive whatever it is you do?



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Brad

10-05-2003 16:31:06




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 Re: Re: 60 vs. 66 pistons and rods in reply to Clint , 10-05-2003 16:20:20  
Clint, Are you who I thnk you are? I know someone by that name that likes saying that.



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J. Schwiebert

10-05-2003 10:02:00




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 Re: 60 vs. 66 pistons and rods in reply to Geoffrey, 10-05-2003 07:14:38  
No. 60's also use offset rods. Bore the sleeves use Continental pistons, lower in price too.More details find me on Hart/Parr-Oliver collectors.web site.



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Brad

10-05-2003 14:28:33




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 Re: Re: 60 vs. 66 pistons and rods in reply to J. Schwiebert, 10-05-2003 10:02:00  
Not sure what you want to use if for but I just finished up a 4" bore 60 shortblock for a customer. 60 rods were 3/4 inch shorter than 66 rods. 60's also used alot smaller pin diameter. might want to check the outside of your 60 sleeves to make sure they're not pitted too much to bore out.



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Brian

10-05-2003 14:41:08




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 Re: Re: Re: 60 vs. 66 pistons and rods in reply to Brad, 10-05-2003 14:28:33  
Brad, do you put together overhaul kits? When you talked about wrist pins being smaller, I remember my father-in-law telling that they were the same diameter as a hydraulic cylinder rod John Deere was using about 10 yrs ago. Find me at: [email protected]



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Brad

10-05-2003 14:50:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 60 vs. 66 pistons and rods in reply to Brian, 10-05-2003 14:41:08  
Brian, this computer is having issues sending email's. or, it could just be the operator (more likely) Yes, we have complete overhaul kits for the 60's basically for stock applications. I could also go bigger for you if you want more power, but you will have to bore the block out for bigger sleeves. for stock parts call Maibach Tractor 1-800-808-9934 for big bore kits call me at 330-939-0124



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Brian

10-05-2003 15:02:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 60 vs. 66 pistons and rods in reply to Brad, 10-05-2003 14:50:48  
Brad, would a big bore kit make it a better tractor? Right now I have a CA Allis that can drag the 60 all over the yard power wise. The 60 is a nicer tractor to use if you don't need hyd or live pto.



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Brad

10-05-2003 15:29:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 60 vs. 66 pistons and rods in reply to Brian, 10-05-2003 15:02:30  
Well, with good airflow a big bore kit will definitely make more power and usually more power is better. If you are wanting to use it and want to go bigger I would suggest 3 3/4 bore. airflow is essential to cubic inches. a good reground cam would help out too. the 4 inch motor I did had a filled block because all he was going to do is pull it. we offset ground the a little and ended up with about 190 cubic inch.

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Brian

10-05-2003 15:38:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 60 vs. 66 pistons and in reply to Brad, 10-05-2003 15:29:39  
Bigger is better in this case, but I'm not willing to mortgage the house, wife and kids to do it. Just had to buy 4 tires, shocks, balljoints and alignment for my pickup, so extra $ is a little short now. Any idea what kind of money are we talking for sleeves and pistons? The other guy was talking about boring the sleeves for Continental pistons. Ever heard or tried this? If I could pump this thing up to about 25 hp I'd be really happy. BTW, the CA dynoed 31 this summer.

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Brad

10-05-2003 15:45:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 60 vs. 66 pistons in reply to Brian, 10-05-2003 15:38:41  
boring the sleeves is a good idea, but you will want to look at the outside of the sleeve to make sure they are not pitted so much that you might bore through them. if you want 25 horse, stick with basically stock bore, grind the camshaft, do a little head and manifold work, put a 77 carb on it and you should do fine. I'm not sure offhand on the price of pistons and sleeve. I'll check and get back.

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Brian

10-05-2003 16:29:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 60 vs. 66 pist in reply to Brad, 10-05-2003 15:45:57  
I guess I'll have to pull it down to look at the sleeves. This tractor sat 32 yrs on blocks in my uncles machine shed with no water in it. I'm surprised the pump hasn't leaked yet. Dad says it was overhauled once. Since the sleeve seals leak (I put liquid glass sealer in it) they absolutely have to come out for new orings at least. If you can price it both ways that would help a bunch. I'll give those numbers a call this week. Thanks, Brian.

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J. Schwiebert

10-10-2003 17:25:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 60 vs. 66 in reply to Brian, 10-05-2003 16:29:02  
Did not get to you sooner as I was out of town. Find me on the Hart parr site if you have questions on the bore job.



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Brian

10-05-2003 13:59:36




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 Re: Re: 60 vs. 66 pistons and rods in reply to J. Schwiebert, 10-05-2003 10:02:00  
Where is that Oliver site? I have a 60 that needs overhauled too. What are the Continental numbers for the pistons? Thanks, Brian.



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