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S77 Hydraulics - can't lift load

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Frank

10-01-2003 12:46:46




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It's got a one-cylinder live hydraulic pump. If it was hydra-lectric, all the visual aspects of that are long gone.

When I hook up a 3", 8" throw cylinder on it and a small 8' tandem disk, the cylinder has enough to lift the wheels up, but not the disk. The cylinder cycles fine through its full range when operated alone and with no load.

What's the order of things to check as culprits for the lack of pressure under load? In searching archives, I've seen the relief valve, bad o-ring seals, to the worst option - worn pump gears or plates.

What's the simplest, easiest to check first and/or normal culprit here?

Aside from the o-rings and bearings which I can probably get most anywhere, how easy are the other parts like relief valves, pump internals to obtain?

I'm looking for things to try before going as far as yanking the pto shaft and pulling the unit out for teardown.

thanks everyone!

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Nick(WI)

10-02-2003 06:40:25




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 Re: S77 Hydraulics - can't lift load in reply to Frank, 10-01-2003 12:46:46  
Check the pressure relief valve before you pull the unit out of the tractor. Make sure the seat is not worn eggshaped. Most parts can be had from used parts places. The end plates can be reground by any good machine shop. Bearings and seals are available from any bearing house. If the gear shafts and gear teeth are OK make sure they fit specs. They sometimes pick up metal from a bad pump on the sides and tips of the teeth. They need to be cleaned off. Unfortunately the pump is the lowest point in the hydraulic and very prone to break if water is allowed to freeze in there. The centerplate if cracked or worn needs to be replaced. I make the plates and have them on hand for 77-88 and 66 models. It really helps to have a manual to go through the pump.

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Frank

10-02-2003 08:48:49




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 Re: Re: S77 Hydraulics - can't lift load in reply to Nick(WI), 10-02-2003 06:40:25  
Thanks Nick!

I'll check the relief valve seat for wear first. I've got the IT shop manual-not the full Oliver repair manual, but usually get through things okay with it and plenty of digital camera photos during disassembly (to remember how everything goes back together). :-)

Can't remember if the IT manual shows specs for the gears. If not, I'll just post again and ask for them.

Thanks again.

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Brad

10-01-2003 21:21:32




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 Re: S77 Hydraulics - can't lift load in reply to Frank, 10-01-2003 12:46:46  
Those systens had a good habit of splitting the centerplate in the pump or splitting the aluminum baseplate. either way, they could create enough pressure to lift a light load, but not a heavy one. relief valves are not usually a problem, but not out of the question. the relif is in the baseplate, in the rear just a little off center. If you need any parts or have questions, call Maibach Tractor at 1-800-808-9934.

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Frank

10-02-2003 04:53:25




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 Re: Re: S77 Hydraulics - can't lift load in reply to Brad, 10-01-2003 21:21:32  
Thanks for the info and the parts source. Looks like I'll be tearing into it this weekend. :-)



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