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310'S All Bad Or Not??

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Ryan

09-25-2003 05:26:22




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I have an 1800 Oliver Wheatland. It is a series C with a 310 diesel. The tractor has 7967 Hrs. on it and neither the head or the pan have ever been off. The tractor has been pulled hard since it was new, but it still starts and runs perfect and only uses 1 quart of oil in a 9 hour day of plowing w/ a 4-18's oliver plow. What do you think about that 310??




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brad

09-26-2003 22:59:40




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 Re: 310'S All Bad Or Not?? in reply to Ryan, 09-25-2003 05:26:22  
the biggest problem with the 310 engines was the early 1855 tractors were being sold so fast that they were machining the blocks when they were still "green". they were not cured intil they were actually on the dealers lot. this threw out the linebore and resulted in broken maincaps. the rod bolts and two piece wristpin bushings were not a help either. The poor (1.54) rod ratio put more of a load on the bushings. usually one half of the bushing would loosen up putting all the stress on one half of the rod, then in would end up making an unusual paperweight. the six point bolts had a larger radius under the head than the hole in the cap did. the bolt would actuall tighten on the radius rather than the head itself and then they would also break. these problems were most evident on the higher horsepower engines. the non turbo engines still had their share of problems for the same reasons, while the crossfire engines did not have very many problems at all probably because of the slower burn rate of the air/fuel mixture this helped create more torque and was also easier on parts. the 283 direct injection engines shared identical designes as the 1750 engines but the shorter stroke and same rod length resulted in a better (1.68) rod ratio making them last longer

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scoob

09-26-2003 05:15:57




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 Re: 310'S All Bad Or Not?? in reply to Ryan, 09-25-2003 05:26:22  
I bought a 1750 with a 310 that was blown, the #1 piston through the engine wall, the tractor only had 920 hours on it when it blew, I am still trying to decide if I want to put a 310 back in it or step up to a 354. Everyone seems to think that the 310 is a good engine as long as the proper oil level is maintained, my question is why does the 310 use so much oil or is this normal, I have never ran a 310 before.

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oil

09-26-2003 08:58:13




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 Re: Re: 310'S All Bad Or Not?? in reply to scoob, 09-26-2003 05:15:57  
My 1855 uses no oil, overhauled with updates.



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Big Jim

09-25-2003 14:30:24




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 Re: 310'S All Bad Or Not?? in reply to Ryan, 09-25-2003 05:26:22  
Ryan,
I have a neighbor that has two 1855's with the 310 turbocharged motor in them. He uses them every day for everything from chopping and filling silo, to light chores and heavy tillage work. He has never had either motor apart. One has almost 8,000 hours on it and the other has almost 10,000 hours on it. Go figure?



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WFE

09-25-2003 14:34:59




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 Re: Re: 310'S All Bad Or Not?? in reply to Big Jim, 09-25-2003 14:30:24  
Goes to show you, 310s are not all bad, even in the infamous 1855s. The updates have gone a long way in making these engines durable, and if properly balanced and maintained, they're capable of very good service life. The initial ones suffered from things previously discussed here that can now be corrected.



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IanC

09-25-2003 17:26:16




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 Re: Re: Re: 310'S All Bad Or Not?? in reply to WFE, 09-25-2003 14:34:59  
I'll throw this in on the 310 discussion. I'm in S.E. Michigan and have a freind who is an engine developement engineer for one of the big 3. We were talking about engines, 310's and others, back in the 80's when I was a parts manager for an Oliver/White dealer. He said something about the rod length to stroke ratio and thrust angles having something to do with the 310's problems, and was related to the stresses when the motor was lugged down. I know from our customers that the ones who kept the revs up seemed to have less, or no problems.

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Ryan

09-25-2003 17:57:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 310'S All Bad Or Not?? in reply to IanC, 09-25-2003 17:26:16  
Just came in from chopping w/ the 1800. She amazes me every time I use her. Thanks for the thoughts on the 310's. Just goes to show not ALL 310's are bad.



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