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Some questions on the Oliver 44 ????

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Alberta Mike

09-08-2003 17:27:30




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Thought I'd get some information over here after a discussion over on the Massey forum evolved into an Oliver question. The question is in regards to an Oliver 44 or perhaps what was called an Oliver Super 44 Utility. Were these two different tractors or were they the same one? When were they built? And what type/size of engine was used in them. Maybe I am talking about one model only, or maybe there were more. Hope someone can straighten me out on what's what.

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Frank Dodson

09-11-2003 13:45:52




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 Re: Some questions on the Oliver 44 ???? in reply to Alberta Mike, 09-08-2003 17:27:30  
In Larry Gay's book A Guide To Hart-Parr, Oliver and White Farm Tractors 1901-1996 published 1997 shows an experimental Oliver off set tractor. Experimentation on this tractor begin in 1950 and continued until the final version was introduced in 1957 as the S44. During the experimental period there could have been a 44 but I don't think any of the experimental models were sold but with poor record keeping one never knows.

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a flying saucer???

09-12-2003 16:39:33




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 Re: Re: Some questions on the Oliver 44 ???? in reply to Frank Dodson, 09-11-2003 13:45:52  
Frank, you may have brought this offset little Oliver into better prospective. The debut of the
Supers was at least '54, correct? Proto-types, or
limited production on a #44,may have nixed it, as
too small. Between '50 & '54, would be ample time
to redesign a heavier, more powerful Super 44. I
saw this #44, with the 62 C.I. Continental. Being
offset, made me think it was a cross, of the Cub
& Pony.Since it was torn down for repair,I missed my chance on what appears, a VERY rare tractor.

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Frank Dodson

09-10-2003 17:22:20




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 Re: Some questions on the Oliver 44 ???? in reply to Alberta Mike, 09-08-2003 17:27:30  
Danny is right according to published reports. I kinda did my math incorrectly (multiplied by 2 when it should have been 1). There are very few S44 & 440's on the market but it seems to me that there are more 440's coming up for sale. Thanks Danny for setting me straight.



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Danny Berryman

09-10-2003 18:18:59




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 Re: Re: Some questions on the Oliver 44 ???? in reply to Frank Dodson, 09-10-2003 17:22:20  
Frank, Have you ever saw a Super 44 /440 with 3 levers on right side? Also enjoy reading your answers.



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Frank Dodson

09-10-2003 19:20:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Some questions on the Oliver 44 ???? in reply to Danny Berryman, 09-10-2003 18:18:59  
Danny

I haven't seen one with the three levers however I have seen one that was narrowed by cutting axles and moving the seat. There were a few S44's & 440's sold in Mid-TN for tobacco farming. I wish I could find one at a reasonable price.
What was the third lever for?



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Danny Ray Berryman

09-14-2003 16:14:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Some questions on the Oliver 44 ?? in reply to Frank Dodson, 09-10-2003 19:20:59  
Frank, sorry it took so long to get back to you. I have never seen a 3 way lever but they were offered as and option. Here`s what it says bout a Flexible 3 -way hydraulic control. A special second cylinder,installed on right-hand midship rockshaft lever,will give independent control of right or left front inplement gangs for full cultivation of point rows,etc. for additinal $295.

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J. Schwiebert

09-14-2003 17:57:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Some questions on the Oliver 4 in reply to Danny Ray Berryman, 09-14-2003 16:14:34  
They had one up here at an aution 2 or 3 years ago that had no hydraulics!



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Danny Ray Berryman

09-14-2003 18:50:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Some questions on the Oliv in reply to J. Schwiebert, 09-14-2003 17:57:04  
Have a friend that has one with no hydraulics He lives in Pa. and I believe he purchased it at a auction several years ago.



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a flying saucer???

09-11-2003 12:57:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Some questions on the Oliver 44 ?? in reply to Frank Dodson, 09-10-2003 19:20:59  
So you're finding published production of about
700 of each of these. What of pre-Super series?
I seem to recall a torn down little Oliver #44,
in an Oliver Dealer's repair shop. Sized to the similar off-set style of the Farmall
Cub, 8-24 rears(old #), plus it bore a common
bond with the Massey-Harris Pony, 62 C.I. series Continental engine. Were these 'too rare' to be acknowledged in publications, if Charles City only
did a brief production run? The engine is what
made me take notice of the #44,not a Super 44. A-C
had also used the 62C.I. in their tiny rearmounted
engine tractor. Any known record on #44 Oliver?

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J. Schwiebert

09-12-2003 18:18:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Some questions on the Oliver 4 in reply to a flying saucer???, 09-11-2003 12:57:25  
Are you sure it was a Continental.



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a flying saucer???

09-13-2003 17:19:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Some questions on the Oliv in reply to J. Schwiebert, 09-12-2003 18:18:52  
Sure, it was a Continental 62 engine. I know the
flatheads, this was no 124/140, in about a 1500
lb tractor. A #44 Oliver, no Super. The size of
the Super 44 about equals a Farmall A, w/added
HP.



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J. Schwiebert

09-14-2003 06:33:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Some questions on the in reply to a flying saucer???, 09-13-2003 17:19:56  
I wonder if you are talking 44 prototype here. They also made a couple of prototypes to compete with a Cub. I know they tried a few 61 cubic inch Waukesha engines that were modified. No reason they could not have tried a N-62. I Know they had a protype tractor in my time that had a Ford engine in it.



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a flying saucer???

09-15-2003 11:13:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Some questions on in reply to J. Schwiebert, 09-14-2003 06:33:16  
Your second sentence clinches it for me. When I'm
four FEET from a tractor, that's an oversite in books published four DECADES later, I have to consider the compiling author's task:If the Super 44 did not debut until '57, does the R & D from '50 forward, have merit? The Super 44 & 440 were
rare models. How much space would a publication
give to a model that evolved into something larger
before it's own limited production? I saw the 44,
not in an auto custom shop, but an Oliver Dealer's
repair shop, about '59. Today, someone could buy
a Farmall A, repower with a 124 Continental,paint
it green, change grills,apply decals, confuse a
lot of observers. Thank you for posting.

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Frank Dodson

09-08-2003 20:22:04




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 Re: Some questions on the Oliver 44 ???? in reply to Alberta Mike, 09-08-2003 17:27:30  
There was only the S44 introduced in 1957. The S44 was powered by a 4 cylinder, L-head Continental engine with 140ci. The tractor had 4 speeds and 3pt. hitch. The pto was transmission type. There weren't but approx. 775 built.
The 440 replaced the S44 in 1960 with only minor differences from the S44. Production ended in 1962 with approx. 1400 built.



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Danny Ray Berryman

09-10-2003 03:40:37




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 Re: Re: Some questions on the Oliver 44 ???? in reply to Frank Dodson, 09-08-2003 20:22:04  
Agree with Frank except on the production number on the 440. Based on information given to me on the 440 there were around 700 produced. Which makes this a rarer tractor. All numbers were run together whick makes it harder to tell exactly.



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