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770 gas engine oil type?

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Gary

09-01-2003 03:50:16




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what is the recommended engine oil weight for my friends 770 gas. also should it be non- detergent or not? thanks




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Don

09-02-2003 11:00:09




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 Re: 770 gas engine oil type? in reply to Gary, 09-01-2003 03:50:16  
Gary,

10W30 will work fine in a 770 used for general type work. If you are working it hard in the summer you may want to use 30 weight. I don't have my manual here, but I am quite sure the manual recommends 30 weight for summer and 10 weight for winter. I am not sure if the 10W30 was mentioned in the manual or not. One thing to remember is that this tractor was built before multi-viscosity oils were as good as they are today, which is one reason the 10W30 may not have been mentioned. I use 10W30 in my 770.
You should also use detergent oil, however as pointed out by others if non-detergent oil has been used there may be a build up of sludge etc. It would be good to check and to change the oil and filter often at the start.
Hope this is of some help.
Don

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IanC

09-01-2003 17:43:02




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 Re: 770 gas engine oil type? in reply to Gary, 09-01-2003 03:50:16  
Before we start another shouting match like other places on the net, let's grow up. Buying the manual is correct because it gives a chart that the owner can use to adapt his oil spec. to the conditions he is operating under. What's right for a puller running in summer, and not under load for extended times isn't the same for somebody plowing under Texas sun for 5-6 hours, or scraping manure in northern Minesota at -10 degrees. And I have a question too, since all these pullers seem to have all the answers. After watching some pulls, I'd like to know just when Oliver started putting posi-traction in all these "farm stock" tractors?

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770

09-01-2003 06:13:31




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 Re: 770 gas engine oil type? in reply to Gary, 09-01-2003 03:50:16  
I have a 770 that I pull for 10 years... All I use is a good 10w30. I also believe this is what the manual recomends..... 770



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Ollie

09-01-2003 05:43:32




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 Re: 770 gas engine oil type? in reply to Gary, 09-01-2003 03:50:16  
Ask your friend to buy an operator's manual.



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Scott Green

09-01-2003 15:37:10




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 Re: Re: 770 gas engine oil type? in reply to Ollie, 09-01-2003 05:43:32  
Ollie , Personally , your "buy a manual" comment doesn't bother me. You can say what you want. I do see how others are offended by this remark. If you don't have the answer to the posted questions , then why would you want to make yourself sound like an illiterate? Your better off not saying anything.



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RAB

09-01-2003 23:25:58




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 Re: Re: Re: 770 gas engine oil type? in reply to Scott Green, 09-01-2003 15:37:10  
Ollie should maybe have suggested looking in the archives as well. A lot of these topics have been thrashed to death previously.
One other thing - remember the warning about advice - if the engine were to fail and someone said use XYZ they might be deemed responsible for the mishap!! Not likely in this scenario but it will happen.
The owner SHOULD already have a manual. The fact that they have not or are too lazy to get it out or are using the tractor for a duty it was not designed for maybe demonstrates they should perhaps not be operating the tractor - like what other service/operating data is being ignored??
Regards, RAB

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Ollie

09-01-2003 16:26:25




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 Re: Re: Re: 770 gas engine oil type? in reply to Scott Green, 09-01-2003 15:37:10  
Your personal attack is in poor taste.

I DID answer his question, and it is the RIGHT answer, and it is the ONLY RIGHT answer.

I would not expect you to understand that but I'm sure the other folks do.

Maybe you can trying doing something useful... go out and help the dogs put the hens up for the night.



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Oliver Puller

09-02-2003 06:05:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 770 gas engine oil type? in reply to Ollie, 09-01-2003 16:26:25  
Once again Ollie runs his mouth about something he does not know!!! NO HELP OLLIE!! I wish you would change your name on this board, you are ruining the word Ollie!



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Ollie

09-02-2003 09:26:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 770 gas engine oil type? in reply to Oliver Puller, 09-02-2003 06:05:34  
Everyone except you and Scott understand I gave him the correct answer.

You have never contributed anything to this board except personal attacks. Make yourself useful and help Scott put those hens up.



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Scott

09-02-2003 14:48:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 770 gas engine oil type? in reply to Ollie, 09-02-2003 09:26:51  
Did I do something to upset you recently Ollie or are you still holding a grudge? Is this your idea of helping people? Until you insulted me here I thought you had a few good responses lately.



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Ollie

09-03-2003 04:43:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 770 gas engine oil typ in reply to Scott, 09-02-2003 14:48:42  
No, I don't hold grudges. I'll answer questions even from you.

I really don't see where you get off pretending to be some type of discussion board critic. Whether you like my answers or not does not matter to me one bit. If you need to boost your ego, play your passive/aggressive games with your family and friends.



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Scott

09-03-2003 11:15:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 770 gas engine oil in reply to Ollie, 09-03-2003 04:43:31  
I've never posted a disagreement with anyone but you. I don't think disagreeing with you one time makes me discussion board critic but if it does I suppose I'm just as qualified for that job as you are at being a discussion board "expert" on everything. In other words, I am just as entitled to post my opinions as you are. I would not have bothered disagreeing with you or criticizing your comments the one time I did if I realized how thin skinned you were. At the time I was under the impression you were trying to be helpful. I thought you might be interested in knowing how your "buy a manual" type of comments might be perceived. Consulting a manual in most cases a good idea. In fact, it is so obvious that "buy a manual" more often than not comes across as sarcastic and therefore insulting. It also does the poor guy looking for some kind of answer to a question little good. If you don't hold grudges why did you insult me a week after my last post? I have done nothing to provoke you since then so it must be a grudge. If you don't care if I like your answers why are you attacking me? I'm curios how playing passive/aggressive games with family and friends would boost anybody's ego. Does it work for you?

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Know it all Ollie

09-02-2003 11:22:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 770 gas engine oil type? in reply to Ollie, 09-02-2003 09:26:51  
Come on Ollie tell has smart you really are? Everyone is wondering, are you the old paper printer for Oliver that copied the manuals and now you feel the need to push them down our throat! Its to bad you dont have any field experience to back up your Book Smarts! Every thing you have post came right out of a book. Even your 29 hp 88 oliver! I would have to say all of the oils today are much different then those used at the time of publication of Ollies manuals. I personally use JT-8 Mystik and have had no problems. I have several Olivers and I have no idea what was used in them previously. I use them regulary and have put thousands of hours using JT-8.

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Gary-come on fellas!!!!!!

09-02-2003 05:04:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 770 gas engine oil type? in reply to Ollie, 09-01-2003 16:26:25  
lets stick to the point. my gosh . what is this site all about anyway. ok I will figure the oil grade out for myself! really what I really should have ask is using detergent or non-detergent have any effects to the running of this gas engine?



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Ollie

09-02-2003 09:48:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 770 gas engine oil type? in reply to Gary-come on fellas!!!!!!, 09-02-2003 05:04:43  
The API service classification determines the type of oil (detergent/non-detergent) that must be used. This is found in the operator's manual (suprise!).

Myron and Jerry are 100% correct. There is another side to this though. If you decide to use non-detergent when the engine requires detergent, the sludge that is created will not be filtered and this will severely shorten engine life. The entire purpose of detergent oils is to hold sludge in suspension so that it is delivered to the full-flow filter to be removed.

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Wrong again, Ollie

09-02-2003 11:31:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 770 gas engine oil type? in reply to Ollie, 09-02-2003 09:48:27  
Every two years the API classification changes. So what ever is in your manual will be out dated. You cant buy the old API oil. The 770 gas is not a full flow system it only meters a small amount of oil through a wick filter.



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Ollie

09-02-2003 12:19:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 770 gas engine oil typ in reply to Wrong again, Ollie, 09-02-2003 11:31:13  
You really are ignorant. The API classification system has been around for forty years I know of. Type "MS" is still type "MS", for example. You can buy it today; I have a whole shelf of it.

I said nothing abut the type of oiling system on a 770. I told him, just like I'll tell you, to read the manual. What I did do was give him an example. I did not recommend any type of oil.

Now, please go away.

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Know nothing Ollie

09-02-2003 14:53:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 770 gas engine oil in reply to Ollie, 09-02-2003 12:19:20  
You still know nothing except what you read out of a book. The API classification updates regulary and changes its prefix. You are a real Dumba$$. Now go read your manual, cry baby.



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LOOK know it all Ollie

09-02-2003 15:10:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 770 gas engine in reply to Know nothing Ollie, 09-02-2003 14:53:45  
II. API Class
The American Petroleum Institute (API) developed a classification system to identify oils formulated to meet the operating requirements of various engines. The API system has two general categories: S-series and C-series.

The S-series service classification emphasizes oil properties critical to gasoline or propane fueled engines. If an oil passes a series of tests in specific engines (API Sequence tests), the oil can be sold bearing the applicable API service classification.

There are ten S-series classifications: SA, SB, SC, SD, SE, SF, SG, SH, SJ, and SL The S-series classifications progress alphabetically as the level of lubricant performance increases. Each classification replaces those before it, with SL currently offering the most protection. SL oil may be used in any engine, unless the engine manufacturer specifies a "non-detergent" oil.

SA and SB are nondetergent oils and are not recommended for use unless specified. SC oils were required for new car warranties from 1964 to 1967. SD oils were required from 1968 to 1970 and a few in 1971. Some new car warranties required SE oils in 1971 and its use continued through 1979. New car warranties from 1980 to 1989 require SF oils. New car warranties from 1990 to 1993 require SG oils.

New car warranties beginning with the 1994 model year require oils with an API SH performance rating. New car warranties beginning with 1997 require an API SJ oil. The year 2001 brought the introduction of SL oils. SL oils are designed to increase fuel economy, reduce emissions and protect hot, hard-working engines over the course of a very long warranty period.

C-series classifications deal with diesel engines. There are eight classifications: CA, CB, CC, CD, CD-II, CE, CF-4 and CG-4. CH-4, CA, CB, CC and CD performance rated oils are no longer used in diesel engines. However, oils used in turbocharged gasoline engines retain CF as part of their performance designation: SH, CF.

Unlike S-series classifications, C-series classifications do not supersede one another. The current classifications, CF, CF-2 and CH-4, are specified for various applications.

CF for Indirect Injected Diesel Engine Service. Service Category CF denotes service typical of indirect injected diesel engines and other diesel engines which use a broad range of diesel fuels in off-road applications, including diesel fuel with greater than 0.5 percent sulfur by weight. CF oils may be used in place of CD oils.

CF-2 for Two-Stroke Diesel Engine Service. Service Category CF-2 denotes service typical of two-stroke engines requiring highly effective control over cylinder and ring-face scuffing and deposits. CF- 2 oils may be used in engines for which CD-II oils are recommended.

CH-4 for Severe Duty Diesel Engine Service. Service Category CG-4 denotes service typical of high speed four-stroke diesel engines used in heavy-duty on- and off-highway applications. CH-4 oils are especially effective in engines designed to meet 1998 exhaust emission standards. CH-4 oils may be used in place of CD, CE, CF-4 and CG-4 oils.

The SAE and API classification systems are intended to help motorists choose the right oil for their needs. The choice depends on the engine, the outdoor temperature and the type of driving the motorist does most. Most motorists are more familiar with the SAE Viscosity Grade system than they are with the API Class system.

SJ is the current API class. SJ oils are widely available and most gasoline engine automobiles either specify SJ oil or, if they were manufactured before the SJ class was created, may use SJ oil. However, one should be sure to purchase SJ class oil for the best engine protection available. Of course, motorists should follow the oil specification of their vehicle owner�s manual

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Ollie

09-02-2003 15:25:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 770 gas en in reply to LOOK know it all Ollie, 09-02-2003 15:10:56  
You are so stupid. You just proved you are wrong! API classes have, and always will, supercede all previous types.

Or, for the mentally challanged like you, they are always upward compatible (gas engines only).

Go help your dumb buddy put the hens up.



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Stupid Ollie

09-02-2003 19:53:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 770 ga in reply to Ollie, 09-02-2003 15:25:23  
I told YOU they supercede each other you really are a Dumb A$$. Where can we find your ML oil? You are really a joke!



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Ollie

09-03-2003 03:54:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 77 in reply to Stupid Ollie, 09-02-2003 19:53:18  
Go back under your rock, you troll!



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Myron KY

09-02-2003 06:44:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 770 gas engine oil type? in reply to Gary-come on fellas!!!!!!, 09-02-2003 05:04:43  
Gary,
Can you contact the former owner to see if they used detergent or non-detergent oil? It is my understanding that if you use detergent oil in a motor that has always used non-detergent, in the past, the detergent oil will start loosening up the sludge and deposits. This will make more frequent oil/filter changes necessary. Also it may cause some passages or oil pickup screen to become clogged. I suggest dropping the oil pan. If it is relatively clean, more than likely detergent oil has been used. If full of sludge, then non detergent. At this point I'd clean the oil pan out and start with detergent oil with frequent changes for awhile.

Until you determine what weight oil is needed, I'd think you would be safe with a good 10W-30 for the short term. For what I know.
Myron KY

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Jerry B

09-02-2003 06:44:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 770 gas engine oil type? in reply to Gary-come on fellas!!!!!!, 09-02-2003 05:04:43  
The detergent/non-detergent oil questions comes up occasionaly becuase the owner is not sure what the previous owner used in the tractor.

When in doubt as to what to run as far as oil goes, you can do yourself and your tractor a favor by removing the oil pan and the valve cover and cleaning away all the gum and sludge. Then when filling the crankcase with oil you can use a good grade of detergent oil.

Failing to clean atleast the pan out, you run the risk of the detergent oil disolving the dirt and then running it through the system. The oil filter will catch part of the contaminants but not enough to prevent damage over a period of time.

This is the technique I use when bringing an old Oliver back to life and it works just fine. I run 20w-50 oil in these old engines as I figure they could use a little extra protection.

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