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88 Oliver for pulling - 310 Wakeshau

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JIM

08-29-2003 13:02:59




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I am new to Olivers, and was looking at an 88 for pulling. Will a 310 Wakeshau fit in to the 88 ok. Or do you have to do work to make it fit? Also I was wondering about just using the factory motor. Can you make an 88 competitive in antique with the factory motor.




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Farmall Boy

08-30-2003 10:09:03




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 Re: 88 Oliver for pulling - 310 Wakeshau in reply to JIM, 08-29-2003 13:02:59  
If your pulling 3mph you need to just use the stock block...we pull two M's in 4500 up to 9100...the one we sse in 4500 to 6500 has a stock 264 and we have a 3.5 mph rule...we are a constant 1st and second..the other M has a 281 and we pull it from 5500 to 9100....If you wanted more horse power i would put in a super 88 kit..if they make them..there is a man in our club that has that and does quite good..TIRE ARE KEY IN A 3mph CLASS!!!!! get some that are road wore and beat more expensive tractors

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JIM

08-30-2003 10:22:15




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 Re: Re: 88 Oliver for pulling - 310 Wakeshau in reply to Farmall Boy, 08-30-2003 10:09:03  
Ive got a Super M I pull now (281), with good tires, it does fair.but I am going to retire it, I need something with more HP.



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A.P.

08-29-2003 13:41:53




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 Re: 88 Oliver for pulling - 310 Wakeshau in reply to JIM, 08-29-2003 13:02:59  
Yes the 310 will fit with no real problems except most places will not allow you to use it in an antique class. Yes the original 88 motor can be built to be competitive but some classes it's a lot easier to build another tractor/brand. It all depends on what the class rules are and how much power you need to be competitive. The 310 may need a lot of build up anyway. Another option is the Waukesha 195 series engine (Massey 1100)at 320 cubes. It will also pretty much bolt in but again may not be allowed. Duke and Gingerich both build competitive engines (some of they near 600 cubes)but they are not cheap ($10,000 or better depending on how complete and how big). What weight classes are you looking to pull and what are your rules like? Are you allowed to run high rpm?

Good luck,
A.P.

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A.P.

08-29-2003 13:52:42




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 Re: Re: 88 Oliver for pulling - 310 Wakeshau in reply to A.P., 08-29-2003 13:41:53  
It doesn't have to be expensive if you don't need maximum horsepower. Give us a better idea of you rules and competition.

A.P.



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JIM

08-29-2003 14:02:35




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 Re: Re: Re: 88 Oliver for pulling - 310 Wakeshau in reply to A.P., 08-29-2003 13:52:42  
Antique- 3 mph, no cut tires, 20%rpms, pulling against Farmall M's and MM U's, and Oliver 88's with 80 or more hp. Thats 5500 lb.



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JIM

08-29-2003 13:52:06




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 Re: Re: 88 Oliver for pulling - 310 Wakeshau in reply to A.P., 08-29-2003 13:41:53  
The rules for pure antique are stock block (3mph) , but arent for open thats 5 mph. The rule says 20% on rpms. But never checked. What kind of money do you need to spend on a factory engine to get 80+ HP for antique. Just curious. And what kind of hp will a stock 320 turn.



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A.P.

08-31-2003 04:42:07




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 Re: Re: Re: 88 Oliver for pulling - 310 Wakeshau in reply to JIM, 08-29-2003 13:52:06  
The advice that Farmall Boy posts is well worth remembering. Good tires (short bar 1/2-3/4" in the center with a sharp front edge and laid back with a nice road wear) can make a lot of difference. So can balancing (weighing) your tractor correctly and picking the right path down the track.

How much will it cost? It all depends how much work you do yourself, what parts you can scrounge, favors owed to you and access to machinery. The middle of the road solution is to machine the block for 4 1/4" or 4 3/8" sleeves and pistons. That will give you either 340 cubes or 360 cubes. The wrist pin ends of the rods will have to be bushed smaller to accommodate the small wrist automotive style wrist pins. You should be able to do this for $2000 with new bearings and gaskets assuming there aren't any real problems with the rest of the engine.

If you budget can afford it a 1650 cam or have your cam reground will be a big improvement over the original cam. Find a 1650 original manifold set (better flow and larger carb mounting pattern) while your at it. If you keep your compression down to where you can run regular gas 80+ horsepower should not be a problem.

Another way would be lots of compression and running racing gas. A 1650 head with M&W 3 7/8 pop up pistons machined to clear along with the better cam, carb, manifold set and added rpm will also get you there.

There are a few other paths. A lot depends on what you are allowed and how you want to do it.

A.P.

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brian

09-02-2003 20:33:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 88 Oliver for pulling - 310 Wakesh in reply to A.P., 08-31-2003 04:42:07  
I have an 88 gas puller with 3 7/8 pistons and is stroked to 4 7/8 it puts out about 80 hp. I would like to put in 4 1/4 pistons woundering what kind of sleeves to use



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A.P.

09-04-2003 02:25:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 88 Oliver for pulling - 310 Wa in reply to brian, 09-02-2003 20:33:58  
I would get a hold of Brad maibach of Maibach tractor parts in Creston, Ohio. He will be able to help you out. You might consider going to 4 3/8" bore while your att it. The block will need to be machined regardless. Don't forget to talk to Brad about the best way to seal every thing up.

Good Luck,
A.P.



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Brad

09-16-2003 05:09:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 88 Oliver for pulling - 31 in reply to A.P., 09-04-2003 02:25:41  
If you have any questions about your oliver give me a call at 330-939-0124 and leave a message I will call you back as soon as I can. I'm not the best with a computer so a phone call would be best



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