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880 shifting question

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Stephen W. Horv

07-25-2003 06:40:07




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Greetings All,
I have an 880 in excellent shape that I purchased at auction two summers ago that I pull my haybine with. I love the tractor, with the exception of one thing--when I stop on even the slightest incline, I have a terrible time getting it out of gear--seems to really "grab", and I don't want to push it too hard for fear of damaging something. What I usually do is let the clutch out just a touch, then quick "pop" it out of gear. A nearby "former" Oliver dealership told me that Olivers were known to do that. Any suggestions would be welcome!

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S.W. Horvath

07-28-2003 06:43:36




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 Re: 880 shifting question in reply to Stephen W. Horvath, 07-25-2003 06:40:07  
Thanks to all who responded, and in response to a few of your q's--It's a gas tractor, and does have the power booster. Several of you suggested putting the power boost in "low" to make shifting easier; this is our first Oliver, so I'm not familiar with this option, however, I was under the impression that it was similar to IH's TA, and that one only engages it when under heavy load (I did notice I "freewheeled" with it once!)..so, if I understand, by simply engaging the power boost (i.e., putting it in low), I might have easier shifting on inclines? Thanks again.

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J. Schwiebert

07-25-2003 10:23:25




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 Re: 880 shifting question in reply to Stephen W. Horvath, 07-25-2003 06:40:07  
Two questions for you Do you have a gas or a diesel tractor? Do you have the spur or helical transmission? Also one comment: a bad pilot pilot bearing or a pressure plate with incorrect lever setting will make the clutch tough to release. When I worked for a dealer I do not remember that this was a problem, but it is table top flat here. If you have a power booster do shift it to low before you shift the main transmission because the sprag will tend to lock it up. In fact the called a "hill holder" meaning the tractor would not roll.

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Kris

07-25-2003 06:57:28




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 Re: 880 shifting question in reply to Stephen W. Horvath, 07-25-2003 06:40:07  
Does your tractor have the power booster option? I have one that doesn't work and have been told they shift better with the booster lever in low. Sometimes on a hill I noticed mine shifts a little hard.



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Shep VA

07-25-2003 07:31:03




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 Re: Re: 880 shifting question in reply to Kris, 07-25-2003 06:57:28  
You are correct, Olivers tend to be hard to shift on a hillside in the upper ranges. If you have a power booster in the 880, or a hydral shift in the xx00 or 50 series, or even the over under in the 55 series, the best way to shift gears on a hill is in the low range. When I do loader work or push snow, or anything that requires a lot of shifting gears I always try to find a gear that I can run in the low range with and just use the brakes more.

If you dont have the power booster option then you are doing about as good as you can with trying to jump the clutch a little to get it out of gear.

good luck

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Myron KY

07-25-2003 08:52:43




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 Re: Re: Re: 880 shifting question in reply to Shep VA, 07-25-2003 07:31:03  
One thing I've noticed, on my 1850 with Hydra-Power, is that the transmission does not like to come out of any gear until the chain coupler has stopped spinning. Until things warm up good I have to wait until the chain coupler stops and reverses direction, a little. Doesn't matter what gear, Direct or Under, up hill, down hill, side hill or level. She ain't commin outta gear until the chain coupler stops spinning. I don't know anything about the Power Booster(if you have one) but maybe it causes the same effect. (Of course this is my only Oliver and this phenomenon may only be with my machine.)
Sorry that I don't have a better answer, but at least it's something to read until you get one. :^)

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Shep VA

07-25-2003 10:49:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 880 shifting question in reply to Myron KY, 07-25-2003 08:52:43  
Yes you are correct Myron the chain has to stop before you can shift, especially into Reverse :-)

I guess what I was getting at is that a lot of times on my 1850 once the chain has stopped and the tractor is sitting still it is hard to get out of gear with the cluth in and in high range because the transmission is holding agenst the three speed or the hydra power.

Now what I do a lot with the 1655 and the hay wrapper is that I hit the clutch and the brakes togeather and shift right before the chain and the tractor compleatly stop and go directly from 4 high to R2 high. Works slick but if you procrastinate you will have to drop to under drive to change gears.

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Myron KY

07-25-2003 12:20:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 880 shifting question in reply to Shep VA, 07-25-2003 10:49:52  
Thanks, it's good to hear that's normal. I don't have the problem on hills that you do probably due to you having a freshly rebuilt Hydraul-Shift and me having a worn out Hydra-Power.

"4 high to R2 high" ??? I take it the 1650/1655 shift pattern is different from the 1850. How do you keep them straight? I'd be in the wrong gear all the time. :^)



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Shep VA

07-25-2003 12:35:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 880 shifting question in reply to Myron KY, 07-25-2003 12:20:51  
Oh yes, the 1655 transmission is very different than the 1850, 1855 and 2150. The reverses are in the same spot except R2 is in the top transmission on the 1655 and 5th gear is the same I know.

Lets see if I can remember it... Correct me if Im wrong, Im going off memory but the 1655 transmission is:
6-R2
3-4

5-R1
1-2

and the 1850 transmission is:
2-R1
1-4

5-R2
3-6

Hmmm, not sure about the upper transmission on the 1850, I dont use that one too much....

When I was repainting the 1655 I got the decals from Dumonts and they accidently sent me the shift pattern decal for an 1850 type transmission, now that messed me up for a little while until I finally figured out that the shift patterns in the tractors are different.

I really am not a big fan of the pattern in the 1655 I like the 1850 pattern myself.

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Ollie

07-25-2003 10:43:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 880 shifting question in reply to Myron KY, 07-25-2003 08:52:43  
Olivers like yours and mine don't have synchronizers so the input shaft must stop spinning before they will shift or you must match the input and output and shaft speeds to shift. This is exactly like old-time cars and trucks. Of course with them you could "double-clutch" to match speeds but on a tractor there's no point. Especially if you have the wonderful "Hydraul-Shift".



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Don-WI

07-27-2003 21:24:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 880 shifting question in reply to Ollie, 07-25-2003 10:43:29  
I actually have become quite good at shifting from 5th to 6th on the road, if starting out with a heavy load with my 1755. I double clutch, grind just a tad and it pops in. When starting uphill with a load, 6th gear just dont work all too well, and dam near snub it out, and I am very gental on the clutch. I am also a Massey Ferg. fan, and they shift very easy. I have 2 of each, made about the same time frame(within 4-5 years of production runs) and matching (almost) hp to hp, gas to gas and deisel to deisel. (Massey 285 & Oliver 1755, Massey 165 & Ollie 1600) They are all good tractors, and would rather fix them 20 times before going to the "inferior" shades of both colors.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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Trevor

07-28-2003 06:06:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 880 shifting question in reply to Don-WI, 07-27-2003 21:24:17  
Don,

We had a Massey 285 with factory cab and I think it was one of the best tractors I have ever sat on. We used it every day and for almost every job and it just kept running (just the usual MF clutch issue, 2 clutches in 15 years not to bad). We didn't know how good of tractor it was until it was gone. I will alway have a spot for a 285 in my heart.



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Don-WI

07-28-2003 19:46:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 880 shifting question in reply to Trevor, 07-28-2003 06:06:11  
I agree, the 285 has proven it's spot on our farm several times over, used to pull our 3-16 Oliver 365 plow before we got out 1755, and use it for almost everything, spring feildwork(main tractor for it) and most of the haying operation in the summer. I'm not familiar if the clutch ever went out on it, but has several times on our 165. Pto brake has gone out 2 times though, in the 20 some-odd years we've owned it. Every tractor has it's niche on our farm, and I can't wait to get our 1600 back in it's spot on the line, then maybe give the 285 a rebuild. The 1600 should be able to pick up the slack.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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Myron KY

07-25-2003 13:10:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 880 shifting question in reply to Ollie, 07-25-2003 10:43:29  
Yes, the shift on the go feature is a giant leap from the other color tractors I have. Thanks Ollie.



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