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HoyBoy

07-06-2003 05:51:12




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In the future I'll be in need of a Baler Tractor to run a square baler while pulling the wagon. The terrain is slightly hilly, nothing drastic. Some research I have done so far tells me I'll need a tractor with Live pto, Power steering,at least six ? speeds, around 55HP. It was also recommended that the tractor run on diesel although no reason why was given. I'm guessing - Cost of operation, but that's just a guess. I'm trying to find out what model(s)of Oliver tractors
would work well for this task. I'd really like to have an Oliver. Any and all recommendations would be appreciated. Thank You, HoyBoy

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David

07-17-2003 18:03:42




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 Re: Baler tractor in reply to HoyBoy, 07-06-2003 05:51:12  
I recommend a massey-ferguson 165 diesel (50hp) or a 1550 to 1650 Oliver.



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terry clubb

07-12-2003 06:14:54




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 Re: Baler tractor in reply to HoyBoy, 07-06-2003 05:51:12  
hoboy we have baled hay in all kinds of terrane here in ky. i pull a 620 baler with wagons behind with a 1550 diesel that weighs about 8500lbs that is narrow front with out any problems. good luck



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Gary in IL

07-06-2003 17:00:40




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 Re: Baler tractor in reply to HoyBoy, 07-06-2003 05:51:12  
I'd say an 880 is about the smallest that will handle this

A 77 might do the job on flat ground, but you need the weight when going down hills

One thing on a 770 or 880...the 'Power Booster' will freewheel going down hills in 'Lo' range.

been there, done that, have the brown stains on the seat to prove it..... ..



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Foxtail

07-06-2003 12:50:39




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 Re: Baler tractor in reply to HoyBoy, 07-06-2003 05:51:12  
A 770 or 880 with a good power booster would also be a good choice in my opinion. Our old 880 and model 60w baler did a lot of work together. They made an excellent team. That 60w baler stands out in my mind as one of the smoothest most reliable machines we ever had.



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ron

07-06-2003 11:22:48




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 Re: Baler tractor in reply to HoyBoy, 07-06-2003 05:51:12  
chas from tn is very correct. i had 1655d for 5 years. and sold it. wish every day i had it back, just for those hill/weight issues. couldn't find a good 1655 again, but found a great 2-70 last year. fits the job perfectly! if you find, one you won't be dissapointed with either one, although the oliver looks nicer.



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Jeff in Indy

07-06-2003 11:14:28




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 Re: Baler tractor in reply to HoyBoy, 07-06-2003 05:51:12  
How about a 1800? Plenty of horsepower (63 and 72), no more expensive to purchase then a 1600/1655 and with Hydra-Power it'll cut/bale hay with the best of them.



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Don-WI

07-06-2003 10:35:29




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 Re: Baler tractor in reply to HoyBoy, 07-06-2003 05:51:12  
I guess I'll weigh in on this too. I also own a 1600 gas, which I am currently working on(or lack there of) getting it an over-bored engine kit, new paint and new rubber all the way around, including all belts, hoses, etc. My dad always used that on our baler before he bought our Massey 285 a few years later, and since then that has been our maiun baler tarctor, unless it was out of commision. about 4-5 years ago our 1600 was the only other tractor to use on the baler when our 285 was out with a flat rear tire after finding a hay hook out in the feild that's been missing for YEARS. Our 1600 was extremely tired that far back as well, but still had enough power to run the baler at a good speed. Once I am done working on my 1600, I will probably try it on the baler again. It worked great when it was all we had, and I wouldn't mind doing it again. I agree thast the 1600-55's are the best for the job, but a 1550-55 might not be too bad either. Once we tried our 1755 on the baler, just didn't like it because the engine had to be running full throttle to have the right rpm's. But as mentioned before, not only hp, but WEIGHT. If you got a full load and a small tractor, good luck stopping. JD's are just too light in my book, and both my Massey's and my Ollie's are of good weight for their hp.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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antique

07-06-2003 09:24:20




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 Re: Baler tractor in reply to HoyBoy, 07-06-2003 05:51:12  
The fall of 1964 was the first of the 1650 model. 1969 or 70 is the last of them. The three speed was introduced late in 1967 or early 1968. They will free wheel when going down hill in low range as will the 2 speed hydra/power. The 1600 would also make a good one to use. A little less power. The 1600 diesel is very dependable and has a little less than 60 Horsepower. The gas is very similar to the 1650 except it too has a little less power. It still uses the old style dry PTO clutch which may be better for your work. My self I would perfer a diesel 1600 or a direct injection 1655 with the 3 speed.

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Chas in Tn.

07-06-2003 07:40:59




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 Re: Baler tractor in reply to HoyBoy, 07-06-2003 05:51:12  
Ollie is right, but I hope this little story adds to your decision. In 1979 I was bailing with a 52hp (wrong green) with bailer, and 20 ft wagon half loaded, coming downhill not steep at all, when I had bailed up a large black snake, the boy on the wagon screamed when he started to reach and get the bale, in a split second after I suddenly tried to stop, it was a total wreck! Nobody hurt. A month later I have a 2-70 White (1655 Oliver) Bottom line on the mishap, not enough weight 3800 lbs. difference. Enough said!!

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Ollie

07-06-2003 06:18:23




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 Re: Baler tractor in reply to HoyBoy, 07-06-2003 05:51:12  
This is easy, a 1650G is the perfect tractor for your intended use. If you buy a well-maintained one and take good care of it, it should last a lifetime. My $.02 is that the 1650G is the best Oliver ever made. Get a later model with the "Hydraul-Shift". This is a 3 speed auxillary transmission. You will then have 18 forward speeds, 6 reverse speeds, 66 hp, power steering, and a live PTO and live hydraulics in case you want to do some loader work. When you get yours, buy an operator's manual (a service manual isn't a bad idea either) from this board, change all the fluids and filters, and don't be afraid to work it hard. It's near bulletproof.

Figure $4k-$6k depending on location and condition.

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HoyBoy

07-06-2003 07:49:44




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 Re: Re: Baler tractor in reply to Ollie, 07-06-2003 06:18:23  
Did you mean 1650 Gas when you wrote 1650G?
And about what year do you mean when you say later model. I'm not that familiar with these tractors to know what years the 1650 was made. I'm guessing maybe about 1966 or later.
HoyBoy



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Ollie

07-06-2003 10:07:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Baler tractor in reply to HoyBoy, 07-06-2003 07:49:44  
Yes, gas.

Your guess is a good one. Starting about then the Hydraul-Shift was available. There will be huge "HYDRAUL-SHIFT" decals on each side of the hood and a shifter on the right side of the dash that says "OVER", "DIRECT", and "UNDER". You can spot them a mile away.



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Frank Dodson

07-06-2003 17:17:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Baler tractor in reply to Ollie, 07-06-2003 10:07:53  
I think you fellars are thinking too big. I remember my Dad and uncle pulling a model 8 Oliver all over the hills of mid TN with a 88 Oliver and that old model 8 wasn't light. We pulled a model 60T baler with wagon with a 77 and sometimes with a S55 or 550. When the talk gets around to round balers (other than the old Allis roto) that is a different story.



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Scott Green

07-07-2003 19:50:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Baler tractor in reply to Frank Dodson, 07-06-2003 17:17:32  
I agree frank. We have bailed on many hilly fields with "77".



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David

07-17-2003 18:12:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Baler tractor in reply to Scott Green, 07-07-2003 19:50:41  
I agree with both of you.I know of a guy who bails with a New Holland 273 and 16 ft. flatbed wagon behind a 88 Oliver,and he pulls 2 wagons behind the bailer out to the field!



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