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Scott F

05-29-2003 11:07:15

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In the last few years the 4 digit Oliver tractors have begun to move from purely working tractors to collectors items. Clearly they have their fans. Sure, most of them still work for a living but people are buying them as a collectors item with no other intention than restoring and showing them. A lot of guys are justifying the expense of these tractors by doing a few chores between shows. That's great. I would be interested in any discussion of the merits of each model in the 4 digit series related to desirability as a collectors item. As hard as it may be lets leave the tractors working ability out of it for now. Maybe another time. For example, it seems to me the 1900 and 1950 have been desirable for some time as collectors items. They make good pulling tractors. You can get the weight down to something manageable with a pickup/gooseneck combination and they can be a relatively inexpensive way for a guy to get into a tractor with a Detroit engine. But more recently the 2255, the largest 2 wheel drive tractor made by Oliver, with the V8 Cat seems to have emerged as king of the 4 digit collectables. FWA on any model is a big plus and really sets it apart. How will the 2150 rank? What about the 1950-T? As Oliver's first turbo charged tractor the 1950-T seems like it should get some attention as collectors item. Thoughts. Opinions.

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Shep Va

05-30-2003 12:42:15

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Re: 4 Digit Olivers in reply to Scott F, 05-29-2003 11:07:15

I guess I would have to respond by saying that I am sorry to see the 4 digit series turning into collector tractors. These machines are still very functional in todays farming operations doing what they are designed to do, WORK and you cant leave that out of this kind of a discussion. I have never been a big fan of tractors that sit around and look pretty. Yeah its nice to see some of them cleaned up and looking sharp at a show, but I really have no desire to ever own one. My tractors look good, but they are working machines and they get dirty and scratched and pressure washed off again. By them being considered a collector tractor it will inflate the price of them for people who actually use them because someone else wants to collect that model. Look whats happening to the 1950 detroits right now. How is it that the 1950 detroit are worth so much more than a later model 1955??? I still have yet to figure that one out.

Seems to me the collectability and the rarity and the price that drives some of these certain models is all in the buyers heads sometimes. Why is a UDLX Moline worth $50K to $70K ??? Is it because there were not many made??? Maybe but there are tractors that had less of a production run than the UDLX. It is because its rare?? Well, define rare. Or maybe it was because it was ahead of its time. Well, OK there were lots of Oliver tractors that were ahead of their time with different designs, does that make them worth more. What makes a tractor like the UDLX Moline worth that kind of money?? Two or more people that are willing to pay that kind of money, thats what. Someone says its rare or its a collector and everyone goes nuts and inflates the value of the machine to many times more than it sold for new. It has been happening with the 1950s and older tractors for some time, but now I am seeing it move into the 60's and 70's tractors and they are still very functional tractors on a modern farming operation today. I just hate to see that start happening.

Just my 2 cents

Shep's World

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Greg

05-30-2003 07:34:03

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Re: 4 Digit Olivers in reply to Scott F, 05-29-2003 11:07:15

I just recently bought a 2255. I bought it to have a big tractor for the jobs my 88 wouldn't handle, plus it was reasonably priced, (at least I thought so). It has the 3150 Cat engine in it, it also has duals and a cab with heat and air. I don't farm but do "play" with my tractors on a small scale. Hope to paint it up and make it look new again some day.
Greg

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Leo

05-30-2003 05:05:06

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Re: 4 Digit Olivers in reply to Scott F, 05-29-2003 11:07:15

I would say 1550's and the 1900 series sporting Detroits are becoming collectible. One thing that makes them collectible is that it takes twice the hp and money of modern tractors to match the output of these Olivers. My neighbor had to buy an 80 hp modern tractor to get the needed weight to pull a 5x6 round baler, where I pull it with ease using my 1600...60hp

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Mike (WA)

05-30-2003 08:30:46

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Re: Re: 4 Digit Olivers in reply to Leo, 05-30-2003 05:05:06

I had some fun with a neighbor about 25 years ago- we were discing ground side by side, he with a JD 2020 and 10 foot disc, and me with an Oliver 880D and 12 foot disc. There was a hill that ran through both fields, and he told me one evening that he was going to borrow the neighbor's D6 cat to disc the hill, because he couldn't get up it with the JD. I knew my 880 would, so got positioned in the field where he would see me when he drove around the corner from home on his way to the field (we were both "part-timers", doing field work in evenings after our town jobs). When I saw him coming, I socked in the disc and steamed up the hill in third over, with the black smoke rollin'. He walked up with a big grin, disavowed any slanderous remarks he had previously made about my shade of green, and humbly asked if he could borrow the Oliver "for a little while". I try to remember to remind him of it occasionally, just so he'll not lose his appreciation for "the other green".

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j meyer

05-29-2003 17:15:03

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Re: 4 Digit Olivers in reply to Scott F, 05-29-2003 11:07:15

Yeah, some people are starting to restore the 4-digit series Olivers already, but like Ollie said in his area, goes the same for us here in SE Minnesota. They are a good tractor to be in use on dairy farms yet, and its refreshing to see guys farming with them yet(or any older tractor) They are tractors that people can assoicate with and they remember times when those tractors were the new thing. I know dad loves talking about grandpa's 880, and I will always have stories about our 1650:) So yeah, fun to see them at shows, but I like them in the fields yet:)

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Ollie

05-29-2003 13:54:20

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Re: 4 Digit Olivers in reply to Scott F, 05-29-2003 11:07:15

Scott,

I don't understand your point. Collectors collect for a variety of reasons. Pulling is NOT one of them. Any tractor used for pulling is essentially worthless as a collector tractor and not likely to make a good chore tractor either.

Having said that, I'll agree that any Oliver in decent shape is a great collectable. But up here in northern WI, Olivers work for living. The local dairy farmer works all 16 of his, for example.

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Don-WI

05-29-2003 20:58:40

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Re: Re: 4 Digit Olivers in reply to Ollie, 05-29-2003 13:54:20

Where in Northern WI are you located? I'm in NE WI, right between Appleton and Green Bay, in Kaukauna. I would love to see this farm you speak of, 16 ol' ollie's still proving their worth. I myself am restoring my grandpa's 1600 gasser as my first of a working collection, still plan on using it for many different jobs, such as running the blower and maybe some cultivating. Right now I have the engine at Appleton Crankshaft, and they build engines from super stock dragsters and race engines, to a little 4 cyl. putt-putt for an escort. They do exellent work and stand behind it 100%.I also have a 1755, and a Massey 285 (deisel)and 165(gas), the 165 being a little smaller than the 1600, and the 285 a little smaller than the 1755, but they are both getting tired and ready for a rebuild. Some day I would love to own a 1950-T, and a 2255. Some day I guess :-) Donovan from Wisconsin

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MikeO

05-30-2003 16:47:34

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Re: Re: Re: 4 Digit Olivers in reply to Don-WI, 05-29-2003 20:58:40

Hi Don, we have talked in the past but I didn't think you were as close as you are. Just figured I'd pipe in with my assortment (didn't call them a collection since I use them all). 2255 4wd w/210hp, 2255 2wd w/145hp, 2150, 1955, 1950, 1855 w/original waukesha w/o oil cooler, 1855, 1855 w/cummins and 1855 w/perkins. Love to see them at shows etc, all painted up, but these are working tractors. I am in the Stevens Point area with the farm near Rosholt.

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Don-WI

05-30-2003 19:13:08

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 4 Digit Olivers in reply to MikeO, 05-30-2003 16:47:34

I guess mine isn't really a collection, but I'm never gonna sell my 1600 as long as I live. It is still my parents farm, but some day it may be mine, and we only farm about 65-80 acres, but it still keeps us busy. My 1755 has a Allis Chalmers loader on it from the previous owner. Has the waukeshaw in it, and an 1855 rear end. that may be the next rebuild, or my 285, which ever one I feel needs it the most. My older brother graduated from Point just a week or 2 ago, I graduate from high school next week. Maybe sometime if I'm in the area i could swing by.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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Larry

05-30-2003 06:09:57

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Re: Re: Re: 4 Digit Olivers in reply to Don-WI, 05-29-2003 20:58:40

In the mid '70's I farmed about 350 rented acres with a 77, 880 diesel and a 1950T. Lost the acreage in '80 so, like a fool, I sold them at auction. Now that I'm collecting(2 '70's, 1 77 and a 770) I wish I did'nt! I've heard of the 1950T having some problems, but I never had any, and it was a great tractor. I especially liked the fender tanks. As a "road" farmer, I could easily work 2 days with it. Sure wish I had it and the others now!

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05-30-2003 07:03:22

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 4 Digit Olivers in reply to Larry, 05-30-2003 06:09:57

Yeah, I will second that emotion, only about a 1655 gasser that my dad bought me new as a mere kid of 19. I wore out a New Holland baler with that old 1655. I loved the Hydraul-Shift for baling. No fender tanks, but it had an AM/FM radio that was pretty cool in its time. Dad retired and sold it, his 880 diesel, and his Super 88 and an old 66, bought in 1952 the day after my brother was born. He always bought a new Oliver when he had a new kid! A 77 in 1950 when I was born, the 66 for my brother, and the Super 88 for my sis in 1957. I hated the 880, hard to start, Mickey Mouse power steering that leaked into the generator and made it quit working. But I loved that 1655. I am looking for a 1655 gas and an 880 gas. The 880 will strictly be out of respect for dad, who passed in 1987. Regards..... ..P

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Ron P

06-01-2003 21:11:00

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 4 Digit Olivers in reply to PD, 05-30-2003 07:03:22

Don't we all wish they still made them, time always tells the story about the best tractors ever built. 1850 1964 model runs great and will stay with any of the so called big boys.

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