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1850 PTO problem

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Kelly

05-22-2003 16:18:53




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My just purchased 1850 PTO will not stop spinning to hook up a shaft. I have to shut the tractor down to hook up. I can barly turn the shaft by hand if at all. The lock assembly on the lever is missing. Disengaging the PTO lever makes no difference, the shaft keeps on rotating along with my spreader. Don't know if it will stop with a bigger load on it. This tractor ran as a power unit, PTO driving a feed mill outfit. Any ideas? Thanks PK.

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Dale Frenz

05-27-2003 17:56:15




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 Re: 1850 PTO problem in reply to Kelly, 05-22-2003 16:18:53  
Ah... the ole' Oliver "roundy-round" syndrome. Gotta love old tractors and their gremlins.



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B A Star

05-23-2003 15:14:02




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 Re: 1850 PTO problem in reply to Kelly, 05-22-2003 16:18:53  
Guys there is three or four things that can cause the problem of the PTO shaft turning when disengaged.

#1. There is a brake in the unit that will hold the shaft stationary when disengaged. The brake could be worn out, especially if it has been used to stop an implement with a lot of rotating mass. The brake looks like a big brass washer.

#2. The lever has to be locked back in the brake position. You should feel some resistance as youi move the lever to the lock. If the lever is allowed to just flop, it will be in a partial engage position, creating friction between the drive & driven discs, causing heat, warping the discs. This will be more severe with a heavy load.

#3. If the clutch has been used to unslug a slugged implement it could cause the warped disc problem.

#4. The system is pressure lubricated from the transmission pump. Oil is forced to the clutch pack when engaging/engaged. There are four drain holes that drain the oil away from the clutch when disengaged to prevent a fluid drive. Some tractors got out of the factory without these drain holes.

If you rebuild the clutch pack, make sure you have 0.125" (thats a 1/8" drill bit) clearance between a drive and a driven disc when disengaged. You need this much clearance to prevent drag which builds up heat. If you do not have this clearance, come back to this board, and I will explain what needs to be done to correct.

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Sam M

05-23-2003 10:44:52




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 Re: 1850 PTO problem in reply to Kelly, 05-22-2003 16:18:53  
Problem you describe is pretty typical for Olivers of four digit 50 and 55 series that have mechanically actuated PTOs . My 1850 and 1555 both have this "problem . " Any kind of attachment will normally put a load on the pto shaft and keep it from turning . I never hook a pto shaft up on an Oliver (or any other tractor ) with the engine running so it is not a big problem for me . On the 1850 , if you push the pto control lever as far to the rear as possible (toward the back of the tractor) there is supposed to be a brake on the pto that will stop and hold the output shaft but this brake normally only works on my 1850 if I hold the lever back by hand . You may need to adjust the clevis on the control level or actually adjust the pto clutches at the back of the tractor .

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alberta dave

05-22-2003 17:03:12




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 Re: 1850 PTO problem in reply to Kelly, 05-22-2003 16:18:53  
This is a common problem with all 1850's. Mine all seem to stop if the PTO has a small load on them. For example my PTO will rotate slowly all the time but when hooked to a baler or haybine there is adequate load to hold the PTO. Of course you can never trust any lever lock so always shut the tractor down when working on equipment. If yours will not stop you may have something broken in the PTO but they are simple and cheap to fix so dont worry.

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